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Subject: What is the best way for the US to secure her borders?
JohnBarry    9/20/2004 12:52:59 PM
What is the best way for the US to secure her borders? What kind of force would it take to make US borders reasonably secure? How much manpower? Would you have a massive increase in the Border Patrol or create new military units for the role? How would you equip and organize the force. Would it be a standard light infantry, airmobile, mechanized, even old horse cavalry?
 
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AThousandYoung       6/29/2010 5:50:43 PM

Also we should realize the migrants aren't "foreign Hispanics" - they are indigenous chichimecas.

 
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Hamilcar       6/29/2010 7:03:02 PM

I think it's important to point out that half of the USA - the Southwest - was stolen by illegal immigrants to the Mexican state of Tejas backed by the full might of the US military.  The treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed while the USMC occupied Mexico city.

 

"From the Halls of Montezuma...

We fight for right and freedom...."

 

USMC Hymn


They were INVITED in under the auspices of Stephen Austin who was approached by the then Mexican government to "colonize" Texas. Similar efforts for California. When Santa Anna illegally overthrew the elected Mexican government the colonist AND THE MEXICANS IN THE LOCAL PROVINCE peacefully resisted as Mexican citizens to restore the 1825 Constitution  until the Santa Anna government sought by force to kill or imprison both colonoists and native born Mexican resistance leaders.  Thus the Texas War where the province in rebellion secured its independence as a nation. 
 
Later the Texans appealed to the US for protection. We gave it and they asked to join us because they knew the Santa Anna government would never accept its rights as a sovereign state. That was the US-Mexican War. If there was wrong here , it was on the Mexican side of the line where they broke their own laws and made war on their own citizens. They got what they deserved.   
 
Learn history and forget the propaganda. There are many bandit led nations on this Earth, China, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Bolivia, Iran, Pakistan, MEXICO, etc.
 
Whichever one you are from, I suggest, you clean up your own history and your own bandits and worry about yourself and your own crimes. Compared to the US, those nations are NOT even in moral by the most minimal civilized standards.. They have no LAW.     
 
 
       
 
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AThousandYoung       6/29/2010 7:17:08 PM
I'm from Los Angeles, jerk.  I'm very close to quite a number of these people.  I grew up with them and I've been walking these streets for 20 years.  As far as they [the migrant workers] are concerned, both Anglos and Hispanics believe in might makes right.  They are responding in kind.  Hispanics were never in any position to sell chichimeca land to Anglos especially when they are under Anglo military occupation.
 
When Mexico decided to stop allowing legal immigration to Tejas the Anglos kept coming anyway.  They were illegal immigrants.
 
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AThousandYoung       6/29/2010 7:24:08 PM
"President Anastasio Bustamante implemented several measures on April 6, 1830. Chief among these was a prohibition against further immigration to Tejas from the United States, although American citizens would be allowed to settle in other parts of Mexico. Furthermore, the property tax law, intended to exempt immigrants from paying taxes for ten years, was rescinded, and tariffs were increased on goods shipped from the United States. Bustamante also ordered all Tejas settlers to comply with the federal prohibition against slavery or face military intervention.[6] These measures did not have the intended effect. Settlers simply circumvented or ignored the laws. By 1834, it was estimated that over 30,000 Anglos (short for anglophones, people whose first language is English) lived in Coahuila y Tejas,[7] compared to only 7,800 Mexican-born citizens.[8] By 1836, there were approximately 5,000 slaves in Tejas.[9]"
 
 
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AThousandYoung       6/29/2010 7:54:40 PM
While you're all thinking of ways to brutally kill desperate children on their own ancestral homeland (like the 15 year old that just got popped by border patrol) remember - they control organized crime.  They are impoverished.  They are enraged.  They are armed and they are outbreeding Anglos on US soil.  They are winning the Reconquista whether you want to go by "Right to Property" (theirs was violated by armed European ethnics taking their rightful inheritance away) or "Might Makes Right" (They have more and more warm, angry bodies with guns as time goes on...they are murdering blacks; they know LAPD doesn't care- "when something happens in south central Los Angeles, nothing happens. It's just another N* dead" - NWA, Straight Outta Compton).    These people cannot be dismissed.  We need to start showing some respect or we're going to be in trouble.
 
 
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warpig       6/29/2010 11:35:28 PM

What is the best way for the US to secure her borders?

What kind of force would it take to make US borders reasonably secure? How much manpower? Would you have a massive increase in the Border Patrol or create new military units for the role? How would you equip and organize the force. Would it be a standard light infantry, airmobile, mechanized, even old horse cavalry?


 
A double fence and ten times as many field agents in the Border Patrol from the Pacific to the Gulf is the only acceptable start to addressing this national security problem.  Who invaded "Tejas" first is irrelevant today.  Today the bottom line is what country is it part of last:  This isn't 1836 nor 1536, and that land is American, not Mexican, period.
 
 
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Hamilcar       6/30/2010 10:39:36 AM

I'm from Los Angeles, jerk.  I'm very close to quite a number of these people.  I grew up with them and I've been walking these streets for 20 years.  As far as they [the migrant workers] are concerned, both Anglos and Hispanics believe in might makes right.  They are responding in kind.  Hispanics were never in any position to sell chichimeca land to Anglos especially when they are under Anglo military occupation.

 

When Mexico Santa Anna decided to stop allowing legal immigration to Tejas the Anglos kept coming anyway.  They were illegal immigrants.


Read what I write? You live in a failed state whose education system is a joke and whose population is propagandized to the point of idiocy. You seriously need to come out into the real world and stop living in your made up fantasyland of La Raza myths. I don;'t care about your delusions. The history I quoted is what actually happened. If you think might makes right, then you just proved my point. You have no law, bandit.     
 
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Hamilcar       6/30/2010 10:59:10 AM

I'm from Los Angeles, jerk.  I'm very close to quite a number of these people.  I grew up with them and I've been walking these streets for 20 years.  As far as they [the migrant workers] are concerned, both Anglos and Hispanics believe in might makes right.  They are responding in kind.  Hispanics were never in any position to sell chichimeca land to Anglos especially when they are under Anglo military occupation.

 

When Mexico Santa Anna decided to stop allowing legal immigration to Tejas the Anglos kept coming anyway.  They were illegal immigrants.


Read what I write? You live in a failed state whose education system is a joke and whose population is propagandized to the point of idiocy. You seriously need to come out into the real world and stop living in your made up fantasyland of La Raza myths. I don;'t care about your delusions. The history I quoted is what actually happened. If you think might makes right, then you just proved my point. You have no law, bandit.   
 
Follow up.....Anastasio Bustamante was a lousy no good dictator as was Vicente Guerrero. Both of them were played for fools by Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna who played kingmaker and was the real mover and shaker in Mexico, and the real authority in that joke of a government in the 1830s and 1840s. Under their policies, slavery was "abolished" but the system of peonage and serfdom remained as is.  No different from American slavery it was, so add legal hypocrisy to the list of Mexican government crimes. Better learn some real history and not the crap you carry around inside of you or dig up from wiki.       
 
It was Benito Juarez who ended slavery in Mexico and practically in the legal sense abolished it. 1866 to be exact.
 
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AThousandYoung       6/30/2010 5:24:12 PM


Read what I write? You live in a failed state whose education system is a joke and whose population is propagandized to the point of idiocy. You seriously need to come out into the real world and stop living in your made up fantasyland of La Raza myths. I don;'t care about your delusions. The history I quoted is what actually happened. If you think might makes right, then you just proved my point. You have no law, bandit.     
I've never committed an act of violence.  I'm not chichimeca and I don't think might makes right.  But ok, you don't want to accept reality.  I can't force you to.  I guess more children on both sides - American and chichimeca - will continue to die, and you don't care.
 
It's ok.  They understand how you think and have accomodated for it.  Like I said, they're outbreeding white Americans.
 
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AThousandYoung       6/30/2010 5:25:26 PM
How you can just dismiss the reality that this land was taken from indigenous Americans I don't know.  It's very sad.
 
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