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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely): 1. USA 2. China 3. Germany 4. India 5. France 6. Russia 7. UK 8. Italy 9. Israel 10. Pakistan
 
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cwDeici       2/20/2009 4:34:54 AM
And don't forget the Jews have a fifth coloumn in their country numbering about 20% who agree with waging war on Israel, and that's not counting the West Bank Palestinians without citizenship or the Gazites.
 
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cwDeici       2/20/2009 4:36:10 AM
Many countries have such fifth coloumns even within their ethnic and religious groups of course, but the radicals are usually quite small. The muslim Palestinians in Israel overwhelmingly support outside forces.
 
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cwDeici       2/20/2009 5:08:00 AM

Many countries have such fifth coloumns even within their ethnic and religious groups of course, but the radicals are usually quite small. The muslim Palestinians in Israel overwhelmingly support outside forces.
 
 
2-1 in normal state issues and 4-1 in more sensitive issues (according to one poll I read). I suppose 3-1 might be a good estimate.
 
That's a 33% loyalty rate. That drops to 25% and occasionally less than 20%. 
 
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Parmenion    EU military good or bad?   2/20/2009 8:44:31 AM
As a British person I'd be interested to know what American posters thought of this? I mean you guys are stretched quite thin in some areas being the world's policeman, would another military superpower take the heat off? Actually that's a leading question, do you guys think the EU would ever have the political will to become one. Just as a pre-amble, overall EU defense procurement's a bit over $300 billion whereas US is probably a whole lot over $500, for most EU nations defense is typically 2-2.5% of GDP, for the US I think it's 4.4 if memory serves. I mean there are potentially alot of issues like Darfur which I think we can all agree are important where the EU has the domestic constituency for action and the US might not.
 
I'm not trying to make statments or advocate anything, I just think they're intresting questions. Personally I think that Europeans, French and British excluded, should stop looking to the US for babysitting and start being part of the solution instead of the faint, arrogant, whiny voice in the background...
(BTW, I'm not a Gaulist or pro-Chirac person, I think any decent European defence policy without good US realtions is an oxymoron, but that's just me personally. If you guys think the only way a United EU defense would work is via that kind of semi-populist sentiment, then that's interesting too, if a bit discouraging.)
 
Alot of the time I think good questions can be more interesting than answers... 
 
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strat-T21C       2/20/2009 12:08:10 PM

As a British person I'd be interested to know what American posters thought of this? I mean you guys are stretched quite thin in some areas being the world's policeman, would another military superpower take the heat off? Actually that's a leading question, do you guys think the EU would ever have the political will to become one. Just as a pre-amble, overall EU defense procurement's a bit over $300 billion whereas US is probably a whole lot over $500, for most EU nations defense is typically 2-2.5% of GDP, for the US I think it's 4.4 if memory serves. I mean there are potentially alot of issues like Darfur which I think we can all agree are important where the EU has the domestic constituency for action and the US might not.

 

I'm not trying to make statments or advocate anything, I just think they're intresting questions. Personally I think that Europeans, French and British excluded, should stop looking to the US for babysitting and start being part of the solution instead of the faint, arrogant, whiny voice in the background...

(BTW, I'm not a Gaulist or pro-Chirac person, I think any decent European defence policy without good US realtions is an oxymoron, but that's just me personally. If you guys think the only way a United EU defense would work is via that kind of semi-populist sentiment, then that's interesting too, if a bit discouraging.)

 

Alot of the time I think good questions can be more interesting than answers... 

The EU must become a more assertive, INDEPENDENT force, both politically and militarily. However too many national agendas confuse and compound this prosess.
 
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HERALD1357       2/20/2009 12:33:56 PM

As a British person I'd be interested to know what American posters thought of this? I mean you guys are stretched quite thin in some areas being the world's policeman, would another military superpower take the heat off? Actually that's a leading question, do you guys think the EU would ever have the political will to become one. Just as a pre-amble, overall EU defense procurement's a bit over $300 billion whereas US is probably a whole lot over $500, for most EU nations defense is typically 2-2.5% of GDP, for the US I think it's 4.4 if memory serves. I mean there are potentially alot of issues like Darfur which I think we can all agree are important where the EU has the domestic constituency for action and the US might not.

 

I'm not trying to make statments or advocate anything, I just think they're intresting questions. Personally I think that Europeans, French and British excluded, should stop looking to the US for babysitting and start being part of the solution instead of the faint, arrogant, whiny voice in the background...

(BTW, I'm not a Gaulist or pro-Chirac person, I think any decent European defence policy without good US realtions is an oxymoron, but that's just me personally. If you guys think the only way a United EU defense would work is via that kind of semi-populist sentiment, then that's interesting too, if a bit discouraging.)

 

Alot of the time I think good questions can be more interesting than answers... 

I'd pay a lot of attention to Gordon Brown right now. Don't like him much politcally, but he's a lot sharper in international affairs, than most people credit him.
 
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JFKY    NGI   2/20/2009 1:37:11 PM
What's new about a German battalion in France, over the past 80 years several hundred German Battalions have been stationed there...Really all the French need do is wave a hanky or two and they can have as many German Battalions as they want or need.
 
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johnnyb       3/12/2009 9:26:51 PM
not to be mean or anything but history has proven that  European countries will never get along they will always feud over  small stuff.  One  thing i would like to know is why do so many people hate the U.S. have we not sent aid and military help to countries that ask for it.  We give money and food to countries that hate us and let we always seem like the bad guys
 
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bob the brit       3/12/2009 9:45:06 PM

not to be mean or anything but history has proven that  European countries will never get along they will always feud over  small stuff.  One  thing i would like to know is why do so many people hate the U.S. have we not sent aid and military help to countries that ask for it.  We give money and food to countries that hate us and let we always seem like the bad guys

It's one of those unanswerable questions johnnyb [sp?]. I do understand what you mean about a hatred towards the US as i've heard it voiced in all manner of ways, though i like to think it's often an attitude taken by those that don't really matter. sure, there's things about the US i dislike, but i wouldn't translate that dislike of certain and select few aspect into a general dislike of the nation as a whole, and i think thats the difference. a lot transform little nit pickings they have about the US into a general dislike of the US altogether [well, that's what it seems like to me, i may well be grasping at straws]. i suppose there's always got to be a 'bad guy' in some peoples minds.
 
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hetfield       3/29/2009 5:35:24 AM
1usa 2 russia 3israel . germany dont have good army they dont know about war . they never had enemies
 
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