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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely): 1. USA 2. China 3. Germany 4. India 5. France 6. Russia 7. UK 8. Italy 9. Israel 10. Pakistan
 
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Histocrit    RE:Israel    6/15/2004 4:01:43 AM
In response to comments made by Lea about the Holocoust, I must say how sorry I am to have to respond at all. Those comments are completely insolent. What ever issues you raise with regards to Jews trying to gain advantage over others has nothing to do with Jews, but rather perceptions made by those who fail to realise that Israel too is a country with its own credibility.
 
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aceofw    RE:Israel - Lea   6/15/2004 4:16:28 AM
"The Holocaust is "Incomparable to any period."" Pay, pay, ah! There it is! No, sorry, never said that the world has to pay for the Holocaust (please note also that I used the word "Nazis", intentionally), the only thing the world has to pay is attention, to prevent anything like the world to happen again, to the Jews or any other people. "I suspect Jews will always use the "Holocoust" and its surrounding myths to gain advantage over everyone else. Perhaps that was just the ultimate conclusion of 2,000 years of exploiting everyone else - beginning with the murder of Jesus Christ" My, my, aren't we a little anti-Semite in the morning? "Here is a good movie for you to see, "The Passion of the Christ."" A bad movie by a terrible actor? And one dubbed anti-Semitic even by Christians? I think I'll pass. "Too much TRUTH AND REALITY? " On the contrary, too little.
 
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aceofw    RE:aceofw : exchanging territories?   6/15/2004 5:02:39 AM
First – You can't compare what happened in the Holocaust to anything, not fully, not partly. Second – Israel hasn't employed terrorism of any kind in 1948, nor has it employed it since. If you want to hear about terrorism, do a little research about Israel in 1920 and 1929, when Arab rioters murdered their Jewish neighbors. "But the first blood is the first outrage which had led to the today situation" It was the Arabs who refused the UN partition plan in 1948 and chose war, not the Jews. As for the first paragraph: You've got it backwards, it's not the Palestinians who are driving the Arab-Muslim world against Israel, it's the Arab-Muslim world (Syria, Iran) that use the Palestinians as pawns in their ongoing war against Israel in particular, and the western world in general (Don't be fooled - Those ICBMs would just as easily be used against France or UK as against Israel). As for the second paragraph: 1) Don't even try to compare Israel to the Nazis 2) If you claim that it was Israel used terrorism in 1948 (and as an official policy), then I must ask you for some proof. 3)" If I were sharon I would try to exchange south of Israel (for exemple 4 time Gaza surface in exchange of half cisjordanie to widen telAviv corridor until 60 km and then give an economical help with US to palestinian) " I think this is absolutely crazy. The Geneva accord does has something of this sort (trading some territories in the Negev in exchange for territories in the west bank on 1:1 ratio), but what you're suggesting is sheer madness. Open a map of Israel, giving them so much land will eat quite a few Israeli settlements in the south and will create another "corridor" in the south. And anyway, why should Israel do such a thing? The Arabs started a war, lost, and now they act as if they won and have the right to claim territory! Does that make sense to you? The deal is simple: The Palestinians stop all act of terrorism against Israel and prove they're worthy to get their own state, and They get all of Gaza and the west bank (maybe minus the larger settlements, still more than 95% of the territory) – Simple, fair, and if they really wanted to, they could have had it by now.
 
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StrategyMaster    RE:Top ten armies of the world-according to strategypage   6/15/2004 12:39:54 PM
here is the what the turkish army: Land Forces: 4 Army,10 corps,2 machinezed infantry division,2 machinezed infantry division headquarters,1 infantry division,1 infantry training division,14 machinezid infantry brigade,14 armoured brigade,12 infantry/etarnal security brigade,5 commando brigade,5 training brigade our mbt include leo2a2 and m1a1 in their hangars below the surface half of the mbts are modern and other half of them are upgraded versions of m48 m60,we can build our own apc and abv(armoured battle vehicle)we have a program of building a mbt in 10 years in western standarts like m1 or leo2 or challenger or leclerc..and we are going to buy 1000 new mbt in near future Air Force: 19 figting squadron,2 recon squadron,5 training squadron,6 transportation squadron,1 tanker squadron,8 sam squadron all figting squadrons plane's are f-16s with full avaible upgrades,aselsan(a turkish high-tech industry) produces a pretty good kind of ammunition,parts and high-tech products for air and land forces(just search from the google write aselsan and get more information) Naval Force:13 submarine a few of them are the best accross europe just try to find information about nato exercises and what the turks done in these exercises you will be really surprised. 21 battle ship,22 mine hunting/scanning and laying ship,21 guided missile ships 52 troop transfer ship or vehicle,23 sea plane or helicopter,1 brigade of marines(excellently trained)most of the ships including subs and battleships can be built in dockyards accross turkey Specops:Turkey has sat and sas commandos(in marines brigade) and they are fully equals of english sas commandos,other commandos have enemous combat experience against guerilla warfare they are the best in all nato,and one more regiment of special forces called red berets they are awesome war machines trained to wage war,they know at least 4 languages they can use anything in the worlds inventory(even jets and mbts)they can heal themself when wounded but what is the best part do you know?they are their own genarals for ex:an english sas team get his brifing from someone else but turkish red berets thinks their own strategy and execute it all around the world some soldiers(nearly 150 soldiers accepted every year from allies) come to turkey to be trained as red berets turks give a class of graduate(30-35 soldier)and others give mostly 5 or 10 graduate in a year i have seen this intensive training. nuclear capability:turkish armu don't want to have nuclear chemical and biolagic capabilities and no programs of building them because if you have nukes then you are a nuclear target if you dont have nukes then other country cannot use nukes against you but turkey have the knowledge of it.and if a world war starts turkey can built nbc weapons Main capabilities:turkish army in can deploy a 40.000-50.000 man in a very short warn time and can transport 5 or 6 battalion to very long distances by an air attack which can be executed night or day(paradrop)turkish armed forces can execute peacekeeping missions 4 different places on the world with four battalions a turkish submarine can go a 15.000 mile distance and can turn to its own base our naval forces can operate international execises(just try to find information)our air forces have the most f-16s planes after the usa in the world our jets can cross the atlantic and can go to usa during the kosova crisis turkish air force showed that it has the ability to strike at night as usa no other countries in nato have this capability(or cannot use this efficiently) as far as i know.Turkish pilots are excellntly trained and execute missions very often agains terrorists(again search for turkish stars(turk yildilari)in google and see an 8 jet acro-team they are world class pilots) Turkey is not the turkey ten year before turkey is a regional power now our average military training is the best in the world you cannot complete training if you cannot shoot 3 bullet in 100 meters to form a triangle!our cammandos do this at 250 metres(at 100 meters they must hit the same place as the first bullet goes!!)our cookers in military form this triangle at 25 meters.our leaderdhip is extermely good our genarals fight in companies before promoted they have to fight to see real condition if they want to be promoted a lot of officers died dring this battles against terrorist turkey has an military sat and a half of commercial sat is used for military turkey can produce all type of military vehicles and equipment except a mbt
 
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swhitebull    Lea Whines in on the Holocaust - and Winds up on the Dung Heap of History    6/15/2004 1:25:12 PM
...The Holocoust is "Incomparable to any period." When will it stop? How long must we continue to pay the price for the "Holocoust." I suspect forever, I suspect Jews will always use the "Holocoust" and its surrounding myths to gain advantage over everyone else. Perhaps that was just the ultimate conclusion of 2,000 years of exploiting everyone else - beginning with the murder of Jesus Christ. Here is a good movie for you to see, "The Passion of the Christ." But you are in Israel where, I am told, the movie is banned. Too much TRUTH AND REALITY.. You forget to wear your brown shirt today. From the Chief Rabbi of England, who has a wee bit more moral authority and gravitas than "lea": From the Jerusalem Post ..Jun. 15, 2004 20:08 British Chief Rabbi: Holocaust is being abused By DOUGLAS DAVIS LONDON When civilizations clash, Jews die, British Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks warned on Wednesday, noting: "That is the great danger facing Israel in the 21st century." Sacks, in a major interview with the London-based Daily Telegraph to mark the publication of his latest book, "From Optimism to Hope," complained that the Holocaust is being abused and that terms like "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" are being used "in contexts where they have no conceivable meaning." In certain circles, he said, "the most vicious revenge" is being taken against Jews because "nobody will ever forgive the Jews for the Holocaust." And he noted: "If Israel takes defensive action against an organizer of suicide bombings, that is called 'genocide'." "If we have learnt two things from the Holocaust," he said, "they are, one, that bad things are preceded by demonization - and right now Israel is being demonized - and, two, the early warning sign in a culture is when words lose their meaning." Israel is being branded "the new Nazis" and "that sets off every conceivable warning sign in my mind. There is profound anti-Zionism which goes with a profound anti-Semitism, which is fraught with danger." And he warned that those who support Israel's neighbors in demonizing Israel "are indirectly perpetuating closed societies which deprive human beings of their rights." Sacks said he is distressed that, "the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is presented in the European media as a zero-sum game - so you are either pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian. That is an entirely fallacious way of looking at things. "From peace, both sides gain. From violence, both sides lose. Therefore, it is not a zero-sum game whatsoever. Those who care about the future of the Palestinians must care about the future of Israel as well, and vice versa." And he called on the Palestinians to "let go of the nakba [the catastrophe of Israel's creation]" and "stop fighting a battle with someone who wants to be your friend." Sacks, who was described by the paper as "Britain's most authentically prophetic voice," noted that a moral vision requires a narrative, and he warned that, "if Europe loses the plot, loses the narrative, it will not have the strength for the fight." He revealed that former president Bill Clinton had told him that at the Camp David summit in 2000 with former prime minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, he felt that Barak had not only gone "further than he thought he would" but "further than he thought he should." swhitebull - anything unclear about this?
 
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Advocate Of REason    all the nazi crap   6/15/2004 11:19:28 PM
well swhitebull, aceofw, IAFbestinworld and goths seem to have things well in hand over here with the nazi morons, so I can rest easily knowing that there still are people with some common sense left in the world.
 
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Long Live USA    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World   6/16/2004 1:41:12 PM
The Information is wrong who posted the message. according to Size, USA, CHINA, INDIA lead as well as technology. But more superior who has is as under and has more Millitray warefare and strategic support of armed forces. 1. USA 2. CHINA 3. FRANCE 4. GERMANY 5. RUSSIA 6. UK 7. PAKISTAN 8. ISREAL 9. INDIA 10. ITALY CORRECTION PLEASE. H.MAVRICK LONG LIVE USA.
 
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bigtasty    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World-no way   6/16/2004 4:37:28 PM
bub,you read strategy masters post about turkeys forces? Fine reading,maybe its the language barrier,or maybe he REALLY loves Turkey,and si slightly prone to exagerration."turkish soldiers can heal themselves" presumably the results of turkish genetic engineering?
 
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bigtasty    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World   6/16/2004 4:39:35 PM
i thought his post was funny,then i read long live usa.
 
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hello    RE: Top Ten Armies in the world   6/16/2004 4:51:29 PM
I didn't read all the posts for this topic, but from the ones I did, I did not see any mention of North Korea. With over a million troops at its disposal and long range missiles and may be even nuclear weapons, I believe it deserves a place in top ten (may be ninth or tenth). Don't forget that US and other nations under UN's direction collectively were not able to iradicate North Korea in the Korean War.
 
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