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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely): 1. USA 2. China 3. Germany 4. India 5. France 6. Russia 7. UK 8. Italy 9. Israel 10. Pakistan
 
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FABIO    My list of top TEN armed forces   3/30/2004 2:47:41 PM
1 - USA - has no doubt 2 - Russia Russia has the "Know how" to attack any country of the world... They have Nuclear Strategic Forces to Destroy any country as well. They can erase from the map a lot of contries as UK France, or ROK. People will say that Nukes are just blackmails, I agree, but is a power that only US and Russia have. Russian Air Force can also defend and attack... The Russian Navy have problems, but would be necessary just change some budgets. 3 - UK - The also have some "know how" - But the mais problem of UK is that they are a lot dependent of US. Without US support , they couldnt fight long conflits. 4 - France - Same as UK , but without much experience 5 - China - Impossible to be beaten, but still without attack forces... Currently , China has just Great defence forces... (maybe the greatest) 6 - India - Almost the same as China 7 - Germany - They have some limits... but they can improve their armed forces in a few years if they want. 8 ?? 9 ?? 10 ?? People said : Japan, ROK, Australia, Israel, But they are just "states" from US. ROKorea could not face North Korea without US help. The same for the others... I know that people will complain... specially the britishes.... But Sweden?? Please....
 
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RM-Nod    RE:My list of top TEN armed forces   3/30/2004 3:16:45 PM
(ref. nuclear weapons)"but is a power that only US and Russia have." You've got to be kidding, have you not heard of Britain, France or China? These are also substantial nuclear powers. And what capacity does the Russian air force have to attack? I'm getting bored of repeating myself in regards to Russia now. And how are the UK and France dependant on the US?
 
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mike_golf    RE:My list of top TEN armed forces   3/30/2004 3:39:54 PM
not to mention that I think it will take a bit more than some budget changes to fix the problems in the Russian Navy. Or that I think it is fairly clear that ROK could easily defeat DPRK if they stood on the defense, and most likely could invade DPRK and win as well. WITHOUT US support one way or another. DPRK is, much like Iraq was, a hollow shell. The look really good on paper, but when push comes to shove their military is going to fold.
 
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fullamongo    RE:My list of top TEN armed forces - fabio   3/31/2004 11:14:18 AM
Sweden probably has as much right to be in the top ten as australia. Israel may have more nukes than britain although they don't have ICBM's.
 
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RM-Nod    RE:My list of top TEN armed forces - fabio   3/31/2004 12:25:45 PM
Is Israel capable of making there own warheads?
 
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french stratege    Rm-Nod: yes   3/31/2004 12:46:50 PM
Yes thank to initial help of the French which build Dimona and provided them French test results in the end of fifties (by a French prime minister who was jewish: interesting) and also design for them then transfer the technology of M660 ballistic missile the father of Jericho 1/2.When the French stopped their help Israelis have stolen secrets from US and also nuclear materials in 67 if I remember: 500 kg of fissile materials! And no reprisals!They master H bomb design at a good level and have the full chain of production and design.
 
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FABIO    RE:My list of top TEN armed forces   3/31/2004 1:55:09 PM
My friends, Of course UK and France have a lot of nukes, but I think the size of the territory would limit both coutries a lot. Russia has developed the best long range missiles, and their air force can attack. Have you ever read about the Russian similar "US-B1"?? the range is unbelieveble. even the SU37 has 1600 miles of range, to attack and go back. the royal navy would be attacked a lot. And a conter attack of Russia at such sizes territories as UK or france. Talking about nukes... How many TOPOLS with 10 warheads would be necessary to erase both from the map? I say again that UK is like a US puppet, without US help, UK would not attack countires like INDIA, China. about north and south korea. Are you so naive that South would beat north withou US support? please friend. South korea shaked their knees when US has taken out some troops from there. All of the south equipments (jets, tanks, etc) are owned from US. South korea has just few F5 jets.
 
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mike_golf    RE:My list of top TEN armed forces   3/31/2004 3:05:54 PM
Fabio wrote: "All of the south equipments (jets, tanks, etc) are owned from US. South korea has just few F5 jets" What are you talking about. ROK has a huge arsenal that they own. Yes it is American manufactured, but owned by the ROK. They have one of the best trained conscript armies in the world, one that could give almost any professional army a run for the money inside Korea and performs reasonably well outside Korea (ROK in Vietnam). The reason that ROK didn't want the US to withdraw their forces is that Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il are nut jobs who might take that as a sign they can attack. The DPRK leadership may well believe they can win a war, even though it is fairly clear to everyone outside Korea (except you apparently) that ROK will eat them for lunch. Besides that, US forces in ROK are their protection against potential Chinese aggression. Think it through.
 
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RM-Nod    RE:My list of top TEN armed forces   4/1/2004 3:00:23 AM
"Of course UK and France have a lot of nukes, but I think the size of the territory would limit both coutries a lot." It takes only a few nukes to wipe out a countries entire infrastructure. Russia is vulnerable to this, there is no need to wipe any whole country off the map and being able to do so does not make a country any more powerful than another. "their air force can attack. Have you ever read about the Russian similar "US-B1"?? the range is unbelieveble." Russia's entire military is very under budgeted. It's airforce or any other part of it's military lacks the logistical capabilities for any long range attack. A few TU's going on a bombing run is not attacking, they would be shot out of the sky before they get anywhere near French or British territories (and many other territories for that matter). "even the SU37 has 1600 miles of range, to attack and go back." Err the SU-37 has a range of 2000 miles but it's still in development, it's not in service. Russia can't afford to produce many new aircraft. Do you actually know how far it is from Russia to the UK? A 2000 mile range is not going to give it much time to do anything except get shot down. "royal navy would be attacked a lot. And a conter attack of Russia at such sizes territories as UK or france." What are you talking about? The UK attacking Russia? Ofcourse the UK would be attack doing that but so what, Russia would be attacked if they attack Britain. Oh wait no they wouldn't because ofcourse they can't attack Britain can they. "I say again that UK is like a US puppet, without US help, UK would not attack countires like INDIA, China." The US wouldn't attack China or India, no one would. How does that prove the UK is a US puppet?! That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. So how is the UK a US puppet when we are one of only three countries with real power projection, are one of the 5 world nuclear powers, have disagreed with the US on many occasions, produce our own weapons, have actually fought against US interests before, are the only country to fight a full spectrum war since Korea etc etc etc. This is just one of the stupid things people come out with because of the war in Iraq, I'd be suprised if you could actually tell me anything about the UK that doesn't come out of the mouth of some anti UK-US newspaper.
 
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french stratege    Rm -Nod    4/1/2004 6:52:07 AM
Rm -Nod to wipe out 70 % of US infrastructure take 450 150/300 kt average power nukes!(according to DOD calculation and without targeting US nuclear forces and population) Not a few! Germany received the equivalent of 400 hiroshima bomb in WW2 on a much smaller territory and managed to fight and produce weapon to the extreme limit.
 
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