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Subject: China, ready for war with the world??
JTR~~    4/3/2010 2:06:46 PM
is China a significant military threat to the world?, considering whom it might have to oppose, United States, Britain, Germany,France etc etc. should we be concerned? could China be defeated and at what cost? or is there really nothing to worry about? in recent years china has stepped up its military reforms, its almost turning into an arms race where it is the sole competitor, is this a sign that something may happen, and are we in a position to meet it if it comes? your thoughts and views please JTR~~
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Brad Piff       4/5/2010 6:55:48 AM
no, the only thing we might have to worry about is the chinese country going in to a civil war status sometime in the future. theres so much internal problems and uprisings in that country.
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FJV       4/5/2010 8:25:17 AM
Yes, in the sense that they can make life miserable for everyone for a long time.
No, in the sense that they have a chance to win. However the kind of slaughter we would need to do to oppose them if they go full out even if we keep it conventional will not leave a feeling of a sense of pride afterwards.

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afrikan_neekeri       4/12/2010 9:42:16 PM
A flame war maybe. Or some angry kids could put DDT and heavy metals to exports.
China is definitely a regional power to be reckoned with and if a conflict emerges with India, Taiwan or North Korea the use of force is possible. 
If China continues to develop in the current fashion, it will take some 30 years before it becomes the world's largest economy. From there it would take another few decades before its military spending could be on par with the US assuming the military spending % and growth rates are what they are now. Which is unlikely.
Remember, it took the United States some 30 years to become a military superpower after it had become the largest economy on the globe. If PRC chooses to go down the Taiwan route in the future, they'll be too busy making electronics, drinking bubble tea and singing horrible pop songs at KTV-clubs to worry about brown peoples' issues.
Again, China is not a country where oppressed masses wearing grey Mao-suits march to work in a weapons factory in strict order followed by tanks that crush them if they're late, spending their lunch breaks making world invasion plans. Like the US isn't a country where roaming cowboys eating hamburgers drive pink cadillacs, chew tobacco and shoot you with a revolver.
Again, it might be a good idea to acquire some basic knowledge of a country before making a question like that.
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Hamilcar    Been in the countryside or the slave labor camps?   4/12/2010 9:46:06 PM
I didn't think so.
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afrikan_neekeri       4/13/2010 5:49:57 PM

I didn't think so.



Countryside yes, slave labour camps no.
The logic behing putting those two in the same sentence...I somply don't understand. "Hey, ever been to Moscow or the the gulags?" Does not compute.
Do you mean the kind of camps basically every university student was sent to during the cultural revolution? Do you mean the laogai which are the most hardcore of all and reserved for political prisoners, murderers, etc? Or do you mean the re-education trough labour camps which are mainly reserved for drug addicts, sexual offenders and falun dafa members? Or do you mean kidnapped child slaves who work for organized crime? Hard to tell because slave labour is a common denominator to all of those.
And of course PRC authorities wouldn't let me inside any more than the US authorities would let me inside a federal prison or Guantanamo Bay. Prison system vs prison system. US, Chinese or Russian prisons aren't generally viewed as the most desirable places to spend your time in. That aside it's just a matter of taste. Do you prefer black cock, russian cock or chinese rifle butt? Tuberculosis, Hepatitis B or HIV?
I could tell you about my visits to the Chinese countryside for all eternity but I really don't see the point in doing that. Like I don't see the point in telling about the United States to some old and bitter Chinese countryside people. Throwing pearls to pigs is bad enough but when the pigs try to bite you simultaneously... that's just miserable.
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Photon       5/19/2010 11:57:36 PM
Perhaps the limiting factor for China's potential superpowerdom lies in its own backyard.  Already, there are actually two distinctively different Chinas -- a) Coastal up-scale regions vs. b) Inner underdeveloped regions, plus c) Very wealthy megacities vs. d) Very poor countryside.  In the midst of all this, in order for Beijing to maintain its legitimacy, it has to stick to hyper-export and hyper-industrial mode and provide enough jobs for the masses.
It really does not matter who happen to be the head honcho in Beijing -- as long as the state ideology of the 'Middle Kingdom' (more accurately the 'Center of Universe'), whoever is there will want China to become second to none.  With the sudden influx of wealth within a matter of couple of decades, the powers-that-be will have more ambitious ideas, not less.  However, 2 x 2 faces of China (as mentioned above) constrains such ambitions.  In particular, power projection is a difficult proposition, unless you happen to be 19th-20th century Great Britain or 20th+ century US, in which neither one of them have faced the kind of domestic contradictions anywhere close to that of China.  Not to mention the need to maintain a significant portion of military power at home to deter and crush domestic unrests, which also goes against power projection.
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