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Subject: A polite note to Sysop
RockyMTNClimber    1/6/2010 10:19:50 PM
Dear Ladies and/or Gentlemen, The best friend or customer you have is the one who is willing to tell you when they believe you have a problem. That is because they care enough to mention it. If they didn't care they would simply ignore your disfunction and allow you to carry on. It is in that spirit that I find I must object to the management of this site. Now, I have no financial interest here and you have not asked me for my opinion. You've not paid any fee for my analysis so it clearly isn't worth any more than you have invested. However, since I care enough to post this I'd like you to at least think about it as you are deleting it from the thread board. I find the tolerance for religous and racial bigotry here beyond acceptable. You have allowed persons whom have made horrid statements about those of Jewish and Arab backgrounds to return here to continue their statements and again recently you have tolerated the slander of my Christian religion. "The marine was more likely an ultra-right wing christian, the very types discussed on the USA thread. He probably makes his wife and daughter dress up in mid 19th century garb. Think the marine colonel from "American Beauty". Further, you have tolerated the request to assualt a USMC officer. Even after a member of your boards asked you to censor the remarks as offensive. "Subject: If any red blooded American men here know this guy, please punch him in the head for me. Aussiegunneragain 1/5/2010 11:17:06 PM" Now dear Sysop, you may have noticed lately that most of your site's activity is dominated by the Rafale fighter and most of the persons who actually knew anything about "strategy" have left here long ago. The most recent were gfaust and Phaid, good folks who didn't say bye but told you why they were leaving. It wasn't because of the high standards you hold here..... I myself began to have serious reservations when you allowed Darth America to accuse me of racism when clearly that is not the case. In summation, I'd suggest you think about what I have said and what other very interesting personalities have said to you. Best wishes to all in the new year. May there be less war and more hope, love, and prosperity for all of US. Check Six Rocky
 
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Hugo    Rocky   1/12/2010 3:43:29 AM

 

Sir,

 

I ignored your earlier contribution to this thread because it was basically incomprehesive psycho-babble. I can see you won't be satisfied until I acknowledge you, so here is your acknowledgement. You and I have never conversed here and you have never expressed outrage at any of my posts before so you will have to tell me where and when I offended you so I might respond. Regarding the topic of this thread, anybody who states in so public a forum that there should be some kind of violence aimed at an individual or group of individuals, let alone members of our military, is against the site's rules (you might review them before you launch into more of your B.S. psycho-babble). Even if Sysops does not enforce them. I am there-fore stating the obvious when I say that this site has gone mostly to B.S. because of lax enforcement of the rules. AG was wrong in starting the thread and he is demonstrably a silly little Chicken Sh*t for begging others to do his violence and participating in racial bigotry. He is admonished at least by me if not by the site's absent management.

 

Regarding GF, he was so mad at AG at one point he told AG to stay off of the Aussie boards and even offered to meet him in some quiet location to personally explain why AG was in serious error on a number of issues (the gentlemen that GF is he did offer to share a "slab" of beer with AG after he had learnt his lessons for the evening).

 

When I am critical of a person in this forum, or face to face for that matter, I will give specific examples and reasons for my issue with them (something you seem inexpicably unable to accomplish). I have done that here with AG. Hopefully he has learned something that his parents should have taught him years ago, and maybe he will apply that to his otherwise diminished future.

 

Check Six

 

Rocky

 

 


Rocky, I read AG's post for what I believe it was, a comment motivated by a humourous appreciation of Australian women's attire.  The post could not have been genuinely read as a call for violence against the individual questioning the dress sense of some Australian women.  Who in their right mind on SP would, after having read AG's post, sought out the marine for admonishment?  The answer is no-one which is part of the reason why AG had no trouble posting his original comment. 
AG's post can also hardly be seen as racist.  The race of the marine in question is not known and any presumptions given his name could only reach the conclusion that the probability is that he shares his ethnicity with the majority Australian population.  US Americans are neither ethnically nor culturally homogenous in any respect.
 
I disagree with AG on just about everything political but I think it's going far too far to ask for his removal for a post which was a lighthearted commentary highlighting Australian tolerance for skimpy clothing which the poster considers a virtue as opposed to a vice. 
 
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Le Zookeeper    My suspicion is AG is Russell Crowe!   1/12/2010 3:51:28 AM
He too is a Kiwi that migrated to Australia- probably because he likes bar fights. I wonder what the Australian laws for punching in the face are. Considering the drunken behaviour that Australians are famous for its probably not even a crime, otherwise the whole country would be converted into a penal camp- oops it was intended to be a penal camp anyways-lol!!!
 
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Hugo       1/12/2010 5:21:54 AM

Glad to hear it  I enjoyed GF s posts
 

GF has, very unfortunately, left SP.

 
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RockyMTNClimber    General replies   1/12/2010 8:50:09 PM
Hugo,
Thank you for posting here on this thread. You and I obviously have a different threshold
for tolerance with the posts I complained against. In fact I do not believe it was appropriate for Ag to post that thread and Sysops should have intervened. You may choose to interpret AG's remarks one way, you note however he didn't agree with you on that thread or here that it was a put up, or a joke. In fact he insists it was rational in his response on this thread. Quoting him: "I'm of the view that singling out idiots for a punch in the head is not discriminatory in the way..."
So you can not dismiss his comment as just a funny. It wasn't funny and it isn't funny, because he wants it to happen.  Also, when did I ever request that he be kicked off of the site? Not in my openning comment nor in any of my responses after that.  I am of the belief that if Sysops properly regulated the site he would contribute within the rules. I have also given specific examples of people who have left the site because of these types of threads. Let's quote GF himself:
 
"Farewell all.  SP unfortunately has become but a shadow of what it used to be. 
 
For those of you who have my other private or work contact details, then I'll no doubt catch up with you online or see you at another conference :)
 
I trust you all had a good christmas and a safe entry into the new year.
Lastly Hugo, it is a sad fact that racism has raised it's ugly head here and has largely been tolerated. I gave a specific example of that too, although not related to AG.
 
Hugo you are demonstrably wrong in your post and I'd suggest you read my comments before replying.
 
To everyone else: I was sincere when I said that this thread was created because I care enough to complain. I'd like to see the site prosper but I know for a fact that it is decaying because of Sysops actions.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
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Hugo    Rocky   1/13/2010 3:10:51 AM
You never stated that you were of the belief that AG should be booted.  I was wrong for giving that impression.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       1/13/2010 5:11:40 AM
Thanks Hugo. Suffice to say that your impression of my original post was obviously correct as is evidenced by the fact that every poster who responded to it in the spirit in which it was intended, save for YelliChink and Rocky who I won't share my opinions of for fear of having another post deleted. The reason why I haven't responded directly to Rocky's accusation is that I frankly couldn't be bothered.
Anyway, I'm going to confine myself to the Australia Board from now on. Most of the conversation on the military themed boards is rubbish and as far as I'm concerned the US board folk can enjoy their incredible shrinking threads, which when all the non-ultra right wing conservatives have gone will go something like:
 
Post one: Obama/abortion/tax/gays suck!
 
Post two: Yeah!
 
Post three: Hell yeah!
 
Post four: Hell yeah with cream and sprinkles on it!
 
Post five: there won't be one as the conversation will die through lack of diverse opinion at post four.
 
You might get a few longer threads though, when Le Zookeeper chooses to inflict his own particular style of liberal debate on you.
 
Hope ya'all have fun!
 
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warpig       1/13/2010 12:51:46 PM
AGA, I do hope you can keep your promise.
 
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YelliChink       1/14/2010 2:33:51 AM
AGA you are the biggest hypocrite on this forum.
 
You don't seem to have problem calling SYSOP to ban articles you don't like by calling the original author as racist. You can keep claiming what you believe, but I read enough of Fred Reed to tell you that you are the real racial bigot.
 
Simply quote yourself:
 
Aussiegunneragain       1/6/2010 7:00:25 PM

LOL! Well done, though I only want to punch those Middle Easterners in the head that come to Australia and tell our women to stop exposing themselves. 

This is yet another example of unacceptable hate speech of yours. As a self-proclaim liberal, you don't seem to respect Middle Easterners' freedom of speech on expressing their ethical value on how Australian women should expose themselves. Shame on you!
 
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Beryoza    YelliChink   1/14/2010 3:31:23 AM
Whilst I haven't read all of Aussiegunner's SP posts and neither damn them nor defend them, I completely support his position that any immigrants (not just Middle Eastern) in Australia that have the gall and the audacity to lecture Australian women on how to dress or comport themselves can kindly emigrate to a country that is more in line with their worldview.
 
I am reminded of an incident in 2006 or 2007 where a prominent Lebanese Australian sheik publically defended a brutal gang-rape (several Lebanese muslims attacked an Australian woman, detaining and raping her for hours) that occured in Sydney, stating that the woman had, in fact, provoked the attack by dressing provocatively (he likened any woman not covered by a head scarf to "uncovered meat").
 
There are also scum that protested that the Australian National Flag (ANF) was flying in government schools and other buildings, stating that they found it "offensive", and insensitive to their respective cultures...
 
Incidents like this are not isolated in Sydney. I hardly think AG expressed hatred towards all Middle Easterners, only against those wretches that choose to migrate to a tolerant country like Australia, then throw a huge tantrum about how their culture isn't respected, despite the fact that they act with complete indifference and contempt towards Australian society.
 
As an immigrant who loves this country, who took his citizenship oath seriously, and considers it a great honour and privilege to be permitted to wear the ANF on his left arm, it makes my blood boil when other immigrants come to Australia and treat the people and culture with utter contempt.
 
 
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Le Zookeeper    AG sings Imagine all the people   1/14/2010 8:39:23 AM
Actually AG is already trying to make it up with Imagine from John Lennon
 
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