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Subject: Attacking North Korea - a moral obligation
Le Zookeeper    12/13/2009 8:52:12 PM
As North Korea has debased its currency to some ridiculous exchange rate the population has had it with Kim ding dong and company. China doesn't seem to intervene the immoral and cruel reality of North Korean desparation. Cannibalism is now common. AlsoN. Korea poliferates missile tch and nuke ech to Iran etc etc, also small arm sale to the wrong folks globally. Plus it is gaining missile tch to attack Japan and US west cast. Its obvious the regime needs to be deposed militarily like Iraq. What would be the military plan of attack? Remember Seoul is targeted with an outrageous number of antiquated artillery peieces that can fire a few salvos before being hit. Seoul would have to be saved or maybe risked.
 
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Godofgamblers       12/14/2009 10:31:29 PM

So...what, GoG?  You buy into SlowMan's Inter-Eastasia dustup hypothesis (which I only half follow - nothing like determined paranoids to make one feel stupid for not keeping up)?  Maybe somebody can finally compete with China in light manufacturing; that's what I'd like to see, not to mention another sore spot on Chinese borders.  But you envision some big convulsion?  I guess I missed your years of rants, please flesh out for me where you're going with this.

hehe most of my posts are rants:)
I don't know SlowMan's theory... mine is simple: the two Koreas are intrinsically the same. We demonize the North but the South is essentially the same. Same culture, same fanaticism, same xenophobia. Both channel those trneds differently for different purposes but are basically the same.
 
When they unite the danger won't be over.... it will just have mutated.
 
No great theory, just common sense.

 
 
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Mikko       12/15/2009 4:07:30 AM
Just control, monitor and contain North Korea without regards to cost as long as it avoids direct military confrontation, aka last days of Seoul. It is likely for NK to crumble from within, yet it would be most wise to have some lines set up not to be crossed and those monitored vigorously. Those lines should also be based on strong public support so actions would be possible too.
 
North Korea is also a diplomacy tool for all involved greater powers and it would be interesting to see this angle used to its limits. I sometimes play around with the idea of letting China have its way with North Korea: There, you have 'em, go take 'em. South Korea would just see China moving to its borders instead of Kim's regime. I understand it seems not as very tempting to the rest of the folks around there, but I'd like to see China's reaction.
 
Mikko
 
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RealMan    Smitty237   12/15/2009 10:51:02 AM
You seemed to have used my ideas without aknowledging me. What gives? Why did you support the Iraq invasion? If you did not, why? Are you a soldier? Your tone suggests otherwise, however, I do not descriminate. My son and businesses keep me busy, so please be patient after you respond. I will do the same as always.
 
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verong       12/15/2009 10:00:23 PM
Hey Folks,
 
The only way I see North Korea end is after much suffereing in both the north and south maybe even multiple wars between them that may be as little as a few mon ths apart and possibly support by Iran!
 
Sincerely,
 
Keith
 
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smitty237    RealMan   12/16/2009 1:34:20 AM

You seemed to have used my ideas without aknowledging me. What gives? Why did you support the Iraq invasion? If you did not, why? Are you a soldier? Your tone suggests otherwise, however, I do not descriminate. My son and businesses keep me busy, so please be patient after you respond. I will do the same as always.

I'm not sure what you mean.  I saw your post and assumed it was meant to be whimsical and completely tongue in cheek.  Nothing wrong with that, as I do it myself to bring some levity from time to time, but I'm not sure what ideas I might have taken from you.  I was skeptical of the necessity of going to war with Iraq, but the Bush Administration (especially Colin Powell) convinced me that it was in the best interests of the country.  I still think it was a good idea.  I don't know what my military status has to do with anything, and I sure as hell don't know what you mean when you say my "tone" somehow suggests that I'm not a soldier.  If it has something to do with my use of good grammar, punctuation, and spelling then I don't know what to tell you.  To answer your question:  no, I am not a soldier, but I was at one time, so no need to discriminate.  Even grunts know the value of a good education.  
Son and "businesses", huh?  So you're both virile and successful.........congratulations.  I guess that explains the username.  I work afternoons, so most of my posting is done at midnight or later.  Always up for an intellectual exchange, but also always more than willing to ignore any poster that bores me or pisses me off.   
 
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YelliChink       12/16/2009 3:02:07 AM
GOG is right. There is way to help North Koreans from DPRK regime. Either way, they are suffering. When immediate military intervention is urgent, we'll know that. At this moment, there is no US troops available, and all operations relies on ROK military.
 
And there are always commies on the other side of Yalu river. Our best bet is a spontaneous military coup that replaces Kim Dynasty with a military dictatorship that makes a bit more sense on economic development.
 
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YelliChink       12/16/2009 3:12:43 AM
A bit more on Korean perspective.
 
Yes, Koreans are not the nicest people you'll meet in the world, however, I don't recall any single incident which Koreans invade any other country since the formation of the Korea kingdom around 1300s. Also, Koreans aren't the kind of people stick to unity under any circumstances.

South Koreans know how deep the crap hole the North is. For the majority, unification is last thing they want. They'd rather the North fix themselves.
 
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