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Subject: Greatest military strategic victory of the 21st century goes to the Talebans
Le Zookeeper    10/12/2009 1:01:29 AM
8 yrs on, Omar returns to haunt US Scott Shane, NYT News Service 12 October 2009, 02:36am IST Print Email Discuss Bookmark/Share Save Comment Text Size: | WASHINGTON: In late 2001, Mullah Muhammad Omar’s prospects seemed utterly bleak. The ill-educated, one-eyed leader of the Taliban had fled on a motorbike after his fighters were swiftly routed by the Americans invading Afghanistan. Eight years later, Mullah Omar leads an insurgency that has gained steady ground in much of Afghanistan against the much better equipped American and Nato forces. “This is an amazing story,” said Bruce Riedel, an ex-CIA officer who coordinated the Obama administration’s review of Afghan policy in the spring. “He’s a semiliterate individual who has met with no more than a handful of non-Muslims in his entire life. And he’s staged one of the most remarkable military comebacks in modern history.” Mullah Omar heads the Taliban’s Rahbari Shura, or leadership council, often called the Quetta Shura since it relocated to the Pakistani city in 2002. The shura, consisting of the Taliban commanders, “operates like the politburo of a communist party,” setting broad strategy, said Yusufzai. Rahimullah Yusufzai, of the News International, a Pakistani newspaper, who interviewed Mullah Omar a dozen times before 2001, called him “a man of few words.” But his reputed humility, his legend as a ferocious fighter against Soviet invaders in the 1980s, and his success in ending the lawlessness and bloody warlords’ feuds of the early 1990s cemented his power. “His followers adore him, believe in him and are willing to die for him,” Yusufzai said. Mullah Omar “remains an inspiration, sending out letters and audiotapes to his commanders and fighters,” he said. A recent assessment by Gen Stanley McChrystal, the top US commander in Afghanistan, identified the Taliban as the most important part of the insurgents, who currently have the initiative” and “the overall situation is deteriorating.” http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/8-yrs-on-Omar-returns-to-haunt-US/articleshow/5113861.cms (my comment)In the red corner the Talebans, in the blue corner nearly half of the civilized world. The mujahadeen clearly remains the greatest military force of all time. The curse stands!! Empires come to die in Afghanistan.
 
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Le Zookeeper    great example of Western resolve-- Aussies prefer rugby as Talebans attack nuke sites- just great strategy.   10/23/2009 8:40:33 PM
Australia Eyes Early Afghanistan Withdrawal


21 October 2009

The Australian government has asked military commanders to find ways to complete their missions in Afghanistan as soon as possible. The announcement is being seen as a clear hint that Canberra may pull its 1,500 troops out of Afghanistan earlier than expected.
 

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A handout photo shows a member of the Oruzgan Provincial Police Reserve working with a Australian soldier in southern Afghanistan, 21 Oct 2009
Australian Defense Minister John Faulkner has asked military chiefs to recommend how their forces can complete their tasks swiftly, and prepare for an eventual withdrawal from Afghanistan.
 
Australia has the largest non-NATO troop presence in the troubled country. This review of its operations there comes after the senior allied commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, called for a large increase of troops.
 
Canberra says that the soldiers it sent to provide security during elections in August will stay for the presidential run-off, next month.
 
Faulkner says he wants to have a clear idea as to how soon Australian forces might be able to pack up and come home.
 
"I haven't, of course, put a timeline on completing the training task but I certainly asked the Australia Defence Force for any recommendations they have about ensuring that we do complete that important role and responsibility both effectively but in the shortest time frame possible," he said.
 
Political and security analysts say any Australian withdrawal is likely to be several years away.
 
Faulkner told a parliamentary committee that the government will not start withdrawing troops immediately and they will stay in Afghanistan until local forces can take responsibility for security.
 
A total of 11 Australians have died in Afghanistan in a war that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd acknowledges is unpopular with voters.
 
Canberra deployed an extra 450 troops in April.

Although Mr. Rudd told lawmakers Wednesday that he is unlikely to send additional forces, he said that Australia is in Afghanistan for the "long haul."
 
About 100,000 international troops are deployed in Afghanistan.
 
Reports of widespread fraud in Afghanistan's presidential elections will be a key point of discussion at a NATO conference in Slovakia on Friday.

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Le Zookeeper    Explaination---great example of Western resolve-- Aussies prefer rugby as Talebans attack nuke sites- just great strategy.   10/23/2009 8:43:51 PM
Aussie governments want its commanders to find ways of ending mission as soon as possible in Afghanistan so they can all come home to end an unpopular deployment.----- This is a travety. The mission in Afghanistan will never end if on wants to resole it, its easily  50 to 100year story. Now you know why Soviets lost-- they too wanted to go home- "can  I go home now?"
 
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gf0012-aust       11/13/2009 1:32:35 AM

Aussie governments want its commanders to find ways of ending mission as soon as possible in Afghanistan so they can all come home to end an unpopular deployment.----- This is a travety. The mission in Afghanistan will never end if on wants to resole it, its easily  50 to 100year story. Now you know why Soviets lost-- they too wanted to go home- "can  I go home now?"

real simple words for a real simple person.

phuque off troll.

lets see, the PM and the Defence Minister have made it clear in the last 24 hrs that we're there for the long haul.

stop wasting bandwidth you moron 
 
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Le Zookeeper     gf   11/13/2009 2:01:20 AM
Perhaps u r not following the news. Or even this board, seems the trolls on this board have more common sense than the professionals. Even the AFghan think victory against Taleban is unlikely and compromise is needed.
Australia maybe in for the long haul but the Talebans are there FOREVER.
 
I am not trolling- ITS FOR REAL. The war is already lost in the minds of NATO alliance, all thats left is for the physical departure and overthrow of any sane government in AFghanistan by Talebans.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Here gf another report- Taliban smarter than the enemy-    11/13/2009 2:05:20 AM

July 07, 2009

 
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Le Zookeeper    Here gf YET another report- Carnegie endowment- what u sy gf- trolls here a lot smarter than u think?   11/13/2009 2:08:30 AM
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Le Zookeeper    & more gf   11/13/2009 2:16:30 AM

US Commander: Taliban Winning Afghan War

McChrystal makes protecting civilians his first priority

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(Newser) ? The Taliban are winning the war in Afghanistan and the US must quickly change course, warns Stanley McChrystal, the general now commanding American forces in the country. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, McChrystal says he wants more troops in big, dangerous cities like Kandahar as part of a strategy that focuses on protecting Afghan lives over taking out militants.

Last month was the bloodiest in the eight-year war for both American and British troops. "It's a very aggressive enemy right now," said McChrystal. "We're going to do whatever we got to do to ensure that Kandahar is secure. With the arrival of the new US forces we'll have the ability to put some more combat power in the area."
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gf0012-aust       11/13/2009 2:18:46 AM

Australia maybe in for the long haul but the Talebans are there FOREVER.

 cref your moronic comment and my response.  put your brain into gear and look at your posts you halfwit.


I am not trolling- ITS FOR REAL. The war is already lost in the minds of NATO alliance, all thats left is for the physical departure and overthrow of any sane government in AFghanistan by Talebans.

which has got ferk all to do with your initial response behaving like some peurile adolescent and my direct response to said adolescent response.

if you want to appear intelligent then form a relationship between the construct of  the words you write and then the pitiful attempt to steer the debate into another direction.

grow up


 
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gf0012-aust       11/13/2009 2:23:11 AM
I know that you're desperate for attention, and see yourself as some kind of pseudo intellectual contributor to the site - but aagin, wrap your head around your initial comments about australian commitment and the reality of the response.

you can post commentary from any other site you like, but when it has no relationship to your initial attempt to look superior, and your feeble attempt to appear analytical, then the fact that all those subsequent posts have no relationship to your original comments and my specific answers makes you look like a troll.

are you that bloody dense that you cannot understand the relationship between specific comments and geared responses?

sweet mordred -  its like having a discussion with a fire hydrant.


 
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Le Zookeeper    You amaze me gf   11/13/2009 4:28:48 AM
You have been having a discussion with a fire hydrant for the last 4 years?? Seeking attention? PLease I am just exchanging views. There are plenty of posters who post more than me. Besides it would help if u stuck to subject matter at hand of the threads as attacking posters is usually pointless.
 
So back to square 1. I think I have provided enuff evidence that the Talibans are all set to prevail (and oh Talibans are the mujahadeen not all mujahadeen are talebans though).
 
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