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Subject: Greatest foot soldier in history? Ninja, Spartan, Gurkhas, Zulus, Marines, Legionnaire?
Necromancer    5/7/2009 7:25:36 PM
Amongst the notables to the disreputables like Talebans, and the German WW era infantry.
 
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JFKY    Sparten (Hoplites)   5/8/2009 9:45:42 AM
That was in the top 10% of the dumbest things I've seen on TV...Spartans, Hoplites, didn't fight anythng like the Ninja...who cares about the shield or the sword...hoplites fought with 13-20 foot Sarissas', in dense formations, the phalanx...it's comparing Dunkin' Donuts to Scotch...there's no comparison possible.  Though I like both Dunkin' Donuts AND Scotch...
 
If yuo like the Frmen, then the Fedykin Commandoes were the CREAM of the Fremen...
 
And Space Marines, pffffffffffffffffffffffffffft....You don't see Ewoks, OR the Fedaykin Commandoes betraying all to become Chaos Marines, do you?  OBVIOUSLY Space marines are terribly flawed.
 
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Hugo    Impi   5/8/2009 9:46:41 AM
Zulus were also very effective at kicking arse.
 
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french stratege       5/8/2009 11:41:33 AM
That is almost a non sense thread that we are acustomated with on SP.
However to achieve supreme ability on infantry means a total commitment and training.
And we can says that Spartan, selected at birth then started to be trained at 7 yeats old, plus selection after up to adult time, can be considered as a league on their own.
Maybe japanese Samurais came just behind.Then Franks for example who kill their children by  being drowned if they show any sign of cowardice but were not trained as much as Samurais.Then probably some SS units in modern times for those endoctrinated and prepared since Hitlerjugend (combined with good equipment and proficiency).
 
Today we have very good units in USA, UK or France but not trained as young and ideologically totally commited like Spartans were.
Today probably Legion, some french marines or UK Royal Marines or some US Marines or US rangers are probably among best units.
However western democracies have limits on endoctrinating and harshness of training (French Legion having probably the more relaxed rules considering some Legionnares are sometimes pushed to death in training, and they live together 100% time for unit cohesion without families).
 
Maybe North Korean are closer to Spartans methods since they also start at 7 years old military preparation.But of course physically North Korean are small, their equipement is poor, and probably their tactics do not allow a lot of freedom to adapt.
 
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strat-T21C    Legionnares..   5/8/2009 12:59:34 PM

That is almost a non sense thread that we are acustomated with on SP.

However to achieve supreme ability on infantry means a total commitment and training.

And we can says that Spartan, selected at birth then started to be trained at 7 yeats old, plus selection after up to adult time, can be considered as a league on their own.

Maybe japanese Samurais came just behind.Then Franks for example who kill their children by  being drowned if they show any sign of cowardice but were not trained as much as Samurais.Then probably some SS units in modern times for those endoctrinated and prepared since Hitlerjugend (combined with good equipment and proficiency).

 

Today we have very good units in USA, UK or France but not trained as young and ideologically totally commited like Spartans were.

Today probably Legion, some french marines or UK Royal Marines or some US Marines or US rangers are probably among best units.

However western democracies have limits on endoctrinating and harshness of training (French Legion having probably the more relaxed rules considering some Legionnares are sometimes pushed to death in training, and they live together 100% time for unit cohesion without families).

 

Maybe North Korean are closer to Spartans methods since they also start at 7 years old military preparation.But of course physically North Korean are small, their equipement is poor, and probably their tactics do not allow a lot of freedom to adapt.


Not the French one but that of Rome. That was an institutionalized force, devistating, that defeated even Sparta. The Egyptian Malmuk (sp?) were an incredible force as well along with the Ottoman Jannizary.
 
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strat-T21C    agree with artyengineer.   5/8/2009 1:51:35 PM
Doesn't matter if loyal or corrupted, the Astartes are number one. FOR RUSS AND THE ALL-FATHER!
 
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JFKY    Piffle   5/8/2009 2:23:31 PM
Being Number 1 in an evillllllllll cuase is no great thing...any Ewok could tell you that!
 
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ArtyEngineer    JFKY   5/8/2009 3:45:28 PM

Being Number 1 in an evillllllllll cuase is no great thing...any Ewok could tell you that!


I find your lack of faith and due reverance disturbing ;)  The inquisition will be along shortly to assess teh extent of your heresy!!!!!  However if your major concern with teh SM's is their rather unfortunate habit of turning to the Dark Powers, then how about teh Grey Knoghts Chapter?  None of them have EVER turned to teh dark powers. 
 
Arty ;)
 
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JFKY    Then I'm with them   5/8/2009 3:49:19 PM
Gray Templars
 
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strat-T21C       5/8/2009 4:20:16 PM

Gray Templars

Grey Knights, not templars.
ps: Blood for the Blood God! (Khorn is cool)
 
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ArtyEngineer       5/8/2009 4:56:18 PM



Gray Templars




Grey Knights, not templars.

ps: Blood for the Blood God! (Khorn is cool)



Here is a Grey Knight:
 
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk297/M777A2/WH%2040K%20Stuff/Grey_Knight_by_CursedChaos.jpg" width="500" border="0" />
 
Not to be confused with a Black Templar (Who are also pretty Bad Ass):
 
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk297/M777A2/WH%2040K%20Stuff/black-templar-print.jpg" width="500" border="0" />
 
However if up close and personal hand to hand brutality is your thing how about this lad?  Lord Zhufor of the Khorne the Blood God Worshiping World Eaters Legion:
 
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk297/M777A2/WH%2040K%20Stuff/wez3.jpg" width="500" border="0" />
 
Yes I am a TOTAL Warhammer 40K nerd/geek and proud of it ;)


 
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