Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Armed Forces of the World Discussion Board
   Return to Topic Page
Subject: PRCs + Iran + NYC banks=atomic bomb
Herald12345    4/7/2009 10:47:01 AM
PRCs + Iran + NYC banks=atomic bomb. Quote: Iranian nuke plot vaporized in the city: NY banks unwittingly aided in material transfers, says DA xperts say Iran is close to amassing enough nuclear material to make an atom bomb. Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Saribas/Reuters Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Take our Poll Nuke all the nukes? Do you agree with Obama's plan to eliminate all of our nuclear weapons? Yes. It's time to close the chapter on nukes once and for all. No way. How naive is he? We'd be too vulnerable. It's never going to happen, so why even bother considering it? Related News Articles * Bam drops bomb: I want to make world nuke free The Manhattan district attorney's office has smashed a sinister plot to smuggle nuclear weapons materials to Iran through unwitting New York banks, the Daily News has learned. Officials plan to unseal a 118-count indictment Tuesday accusing a Chinese national of setting up a handful of fake companies to hide that he was selling millions of dollars in potential nuclear materials to Tehran. "This case will cut off a major source of supply to Iran and it shows how they are going ahead full steam to get a nuclear bomb. Long-range missiles they pretty much have already," a law enforcement source close to the case said. "We think it is one of the largest suppliers of weapons of mass destruction to Iran." Experts say Iran, under the leadership of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, appears close to amassing enough nuclear material to make an atom bomb. A United Nations embargo bans Iran from acquiring the high-tech metals needed to make a long-range nuclear weapon a reality. The indictment will outline the financial conspiracy behind 58 different transactions, including shipments of various banned materials from China to Iran between 2006 and late 2008. Among them: * 33,000 pounds of a specialized aluminum alloy used almost exclusively in long-range missile production. * 66,000 pounds of tungsten copper plate, which is used in missile guidance systems. * 53,900 pounds of maraging steel rods, a superhard metal used in uranium enrichment and to make the casings for nuclear bombs. The recipient is believed to have been a subsidiary of the Iranian Defense Ministry. The suspect, who is not believed to be in the U.S., set up four bogus import-export companies that did business with six Iranian shell firms, one source said. "They took elaborate steps to conceal the identity of the shipper and the recipient," the source said. The deals went through "several" New York banks, which cooperated when the alleged plot was uncovered. "The New York banks were completely unaware," the source said. Authorities first stumbled over the scheme seven months ago in an unrelated probe into Iranian money-laundering through Lloyd's, a British bank. In January, Lloyd's paid a $350 million fine to settle accusations it "stripped" information from Iranian money transfers to New York banks, hiding where the cash came from. Officials said they suspected that money was also used to finance Iran's nuke program. "The important thing is to put sunlight on these deals," the law enforcement source said. mgrace@nydailynews.com BY Melissa Grace DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Updated Tuesday, April 7th 2009, 8:20 AM SOURCE http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/04/07/2009-04-07_iranian_nuke_plot_vaporized_in_the_city_-2.html COMMENT Just how stupid are we?
 
Quote    Reply

Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
Herald12345    Source   4/7/2009 10:51:23 AM
 
Quote    Reply

Parmenion    Wow.   4/7/2009 5:28:35 PM
 
Scary stuff. But I support the President of the United States in his efforts to reduce the number of nuclear weapons in the world. When he talks about eliminating them entirely I don't think he means it even in terms of our lifetimes. But as a ultimate goal- as a moral absolute to aspire to I think we can call agree that a world without war between nations and without nukes is the dream. Why not be honest about this? Also from a security standpoint the plan is based on eventually eliminating them only if every other nation has already gotten rid of theirs. I don't belive for a second that the President is not ready to lay the smack down on Tehran if he absolutley has to- but any veteran here will know from basic training, if you can resolove a situation wihout a body count then that's better. Much better than a certain ex-President who simply made occasional vague threats.
   This might seem naive but consider the last 1000 years of human history and the changes that have taken place. From that perspective I don't think you can argue against the fact that we are advancing and therefore that eventually war between humans, and by extension our nuclear weapons, will become obselete. (And we'll have to find something else to talk about). Just not for a while yet.
 
Quote    Reply

Herald12345    well you missed the point.   4/8/2009 11:32:27 AM
There is this thing called barbarism. Not all Humans at all times are "civilized". Both the Chinese and the Roman empires when they imposed their peaces and "civilizations" in their parts of the Earth for those hundreds of years that they did,  did it on the backs of their professional armies. Those outfits (armies) practiced massacre, and brutality routinely against "barbarians" and anyone else who even looked like they might try to upset the apple cart of the Roman or Chinese empires.  

As recently as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the current behavior of the DPRK, Russian, and PRC regimes, I've seen nothing to suggest that kumbayah is on the horizon or even close.
 
If anything, the planet is in worse shape now than it was six months ago. Shrug. And we just elected a fool who thinks its 1923, instead of 2009.
 
Herald
 
 
 
 
Quote    Reply

Spiky       4/8/2009 9:33:50 PM
Correction, our technology is advancing.
 
Our human nature is NOT.
 
The evidence is all to obvious to the objective observer. During the 20th Century with the aid of new military technology (machine-gun, tanks, airplane, communications, advanced military theory) we have seen more deaths in war in the last 100 years than many centuries put together. Also, we have seen more organized genocide in the millions of millions (Germany WW2, Vietnam/Cambodia, Old Soviet Union under Lenin/Stalin on and on).
 
Also, I am betting the Obama will NOT use force on Iran. He has shown more prowess as a politician than a leader. With Iraq and Afghanistan already in his hands, Obama the politician will more than likely just excuse away the Iranians getting nuclear capability before he runs for presidency again and just blame the international community, UN, NATO, blah, blah, blah. Obama will not use force on Iran. He actually admires them and continues to call them "a great Persian Empire" every time he addresses them.
 
So, diminish the nuke stock pile, but continue the research and keep a good little pile of the best nuke stuff. Just in case the "barbarians" rise again.
 
Quote    Reply

Spiky       4/8/2009 9:39:56 PM
Correction, our technology is advancing.
 
Our human nature is NOT.
 
The evidence is all to obvious to the objective observer. During the 20th Century with the aid of new military technology (machine-gun, tanks, airplane, communications, advanced military theory) we have seen more deaths in war in the last 100 years than many centuries put together. Also, we have seen more organized genocide in the millions of millions (Germany WW2, Vietnam/Cambodia, Old Soviet Union under Lenin/Stalin on and on).
 
Also, I am betting the Obama will NOT use force on Iran. He has shown more prowess as a politician than a leader. With Iraq and Afghanistan already in his hands, Obama the politician will more than likely just excuse away the Iranians getting nuclear capability before he runs for presidency again and just blame the international community, UN, NATO, blah, blah, blah. Obama will not use force on Iran. He actually admires them and continues to call them "a great Persian Empire" every time he addresses them.
 
So, diminish the nuke stock pile, but continue the research and keep a good little pile of the best nuke stuff. Just in case the "barbarians" rise again.
 
Quote    Reply

00_Chem_AJB       4/9/2009 6:04:07 AM

Welcome back. It is quite disturbing to know that China is willing to help Iran develop nuclear weapons, we all know it is a big step from device to working war head, but with the help of an established nuclear power, the route becomes alot shorter and easier. However, what would China be getting out of this? They import oil, and lots of it. A nuclear armed Iran would send oil prices through the roof, so it wont do them any favours economically. While a nuclear armed Iran can give the PRC some leverage, if they try to weaken us it will effect them in the long run, the western world has a large stake in the Chinese economy, they rely on us buying their products. If they want to take us down we will drag them with us.

 
Quote    Reply

Herald12345    Rhere is oil in central Asia    4/9/2009 7:28:32 AM

Welcome back. It is quite disturbing to know that China is willing to help Iran develop nuclear weapons, we all know it is a big step from device to working war head, but with the help of an established nuclear power, the route becomes alot shorter and easier. However, what would China be getting out of this? They import oil, and lots of it. A nuclear armed Iran would send oil prices through the roof, so it wont do them any favours economically. While a nuclear armed Iran can give the PRC some leverage, if they try to weaken us it will effect them in the long run, the western world has a large stake in the Chinese economy, they rely on us buying their products. If they want to take us down we will drag them with us.


and the PRCs are building a pipeline. They think they don't NEED Iran.


Herald
 
Quote    Reply

Herald12345    There is oil in central Asia    4/9/2009 7:29:34 AM
And by the way, thanks!

Herald
 
Quote    Reply

00_Chem_AJB    So they can have their cake and eat it too.   4/9/2009 8:10:06 PM
You're welcome. Even with a direct pipe line; global oil prices will still go up. And what's the Kremlin's position in all this? While they are helping Iran with its nuclear power stations, do they ojbect to a nuclear armed Iran? Or are they doing the usual thing of making money, getting gobal influence and screwing every one else over in the process?
 
Quote    Reply

Nanheyangrouchuan       4/16/2009 5:44:12 PM
Who actually believes that the big US banks are innocently duped into lending such huge sums of money, especially when ones like Goldman are literally holding the US economy hostage?
 
Quote    Reply



 Latest
 News
 
 Most
 Read
 
 Most
 Commented
 Hot
 Topics