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Subject: Why all the hostilities towards China?
analdestroyer    1/19/2009 12:29:29 AM
I sometimes wonder why all the hostilities towards china in this forum?, i even read that someone suggested the US to send B2 to wreck chinese three gorges dam? where all of this come from, is it from jealousy?, certaintly not as you americans has been living so well off, is it because dare i say 'fear' as the chinese are rapidly catching up on you, certainly this is exagerrating, no matter how fast the chinese are growing its still decades away to be on the same footing as the US, or is it because they are different? different in their way of doing things that you guys are so worked up, different yet produces the same or arguably better results, for example china is not democracy so it must be evil, yes china is not democracy nor it needed to be at the moment, but its heading that way, for democracy to work first the state must achieve stability and to achieve stability means continuing economic growth, after all democray is where the people become more affluent and so they demand more say on how goverments run things, remember democray does not make western countries rich, they become rich because of colonization (mercantilism) and industrialization (which is what the chinese are doing), secondly your mantra of free market capitalism over state controlled economy, you seems to think that the state is naturally idiot and the market is naturally brilliant, guess again it was an epic mistake, it is you who now moving toward state control—by nationalizing the banking and car industries, and imposing heavy new regulation on the financial industry, accusing them of yuan depreciation while ignoring the fact that is has been increasing by 21.5% towards the dollars, the chinese are a nation of learners they learn from others success and mistakes, they want to avoid the fate of russia in 90's moving too fast from socialism economy to free market and democracy, you americans called it shock therapy which proves to be all shock and no therapy, and you might be suprised that 8 out of 9 of its top leaderships is engineers instead of attorneys and lawyers like in the US you should read this article on newsweek http://www.newsweek.com/id/178810/page/1 its quite rare US media potrays China in positive light
 
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YelliChink       3/11/2009 4:56:17 AM

I'm aware of the crimes committed by the local governments. The whole lower-level party system is incredibly corrupted and full of mobsters.
Then what do you think central government is? Local commies get their positions by bribing and playing sycophant. What makes you think the central government aren't mobster boss? Indeed they are. Commies are, after all, bandits with a failed ideology.
 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/11/2009 12:24:36 PM






You should stop reading anything from Xinhua and stop watching anything from CCTV. 

 

There was practically, not only lack of any progress in political reform and advancement of civil rights, but also reverse into more totalitarian approach on these issues since 1989. Just because they "reform" their faces to make them look more western, doesn't mean the intrinsic power structure has changed, and definitely only has negative impact on civil rights, liberty and property rights.
 
I don't watch CCTV or read Xinhua propaganda. Books like the long march from Mao to now are more interesting and useful. I used to think like you until actually visiting the country a few times. It always amuses me how the media here portrays the country as some evil gulag-regime where everyone lives in fear of the goverment. It's not like the endless whining about Russia's human rights has made any difference either. 

 
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HERALD1357    As cirrupt and as mob riddled as Russia is.....   3/11/2009 12:36:52 PM



You should stop reading anything from Xinhua and stop watching anything from CCTV. 


There was practically, not only lack of any progress in political reform and advancement of civil rights, but also reverse into more totalitarian approach on these issues since 1989. Just because they "reform" their faces to make them look more western, doesn't mean the intrinsic power structure has changed, and definitely only has negative impact on civil rights, liberty and property rights.


 
I don't watch CCTV or read Xinhua propaganda. Books like the long march from Mao to now are more interesting and useful. I used to think like you until actually visiting the country a few times. It always amuses me how the media here portrays the country as some evil gulag-regime where everyone lives in fear of the goverment. It's not like the endless whining about Russia's human rights has made any difference either




Russia is freer than the PRC empire.
 
As long as we stick to tech talk we'll be fine I think Afrikaner. Politics for us  is a BOLO.
 
Herald

 
 
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YelliChink       3/11/2009 1:43:43 PM

I don't watch CCTV or read Xinhua propaganda. Books like the long march from Mao to now are more interesting and useful. I used to think like you until actually visiting the country a few times. It always amuses me how the media here portrays the country as some evil gulag-regime where everyone lives in fear of the goverment. It's not like the endless whining about Russia's human rights has made any difference either. 

How about next time when you travel to China, you wear a hat which says "Free Tibet" or "Fa Lun Da Fa Hau," and tell us how your experience will be if you can make it back.
 
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HERALD1357       3/11/2009 2:07:34 PM




I don't watch CCTV or read Xinhua propaganda. Books like the long march from Mao to now are more interesting and useful. I used to think like you until actually visiting the country a few times. It always amuses me how the media here portrays the country as some evil gulag-regime where everyone lives in fear of the goverment. It's not like the endless whining about Russia's human rights has made any difference either. 






How about next time when you travel to China, you wear a hat which says "Free Tibet" or "Fa Lun Da Fa Hau," and tell us how your experience will be if you can make it back.

 
 
 
Herald
 
 
 
 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/11/2009 9:18:34 PM







How about next time when you travel to China, you wear a hat which says "Free Tibet" or "Fa Lun Da Fa Hau," and tell us how your experience will be if you can make it back.


Umm that's like Top Gear going to the US painting their cars with "NASCAR SUCKS" and "MAN LOVE RULES OK". I'm not that suicidal lol.

 

 
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wolfin1       3/12/2009 10:07:46 PM



 Well sorry for not using enough enter key, its a habit im working to change, the name analdestroyer means exactly what is written, thats what i do  



 

you're a proctologist?










Flight surgeon?
 
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Panther       3/16/2009 2:09:18 AM
What the... is this pseudonym serious - analdestroyer? Why, that sounds like a name a porn star would use. 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       3/16/2009 3:33:40 PM

You should stop reading anything from Xinhua and stop watching anything from CCTV. 


There was practically, not only lack of any progress in political reform and advancement of civil rights, but also reverse into more totalitarian approach on these issues since 1989. Just because they "reform" their faces to make them look more western, doesn't mean the intrinsic power structure has changed, and definitely only has negative impact on civil rights, liberty and property rights.


 


I don't watch CCTV or read Xinhua propaganda. Books like the long march from Mao to now are more interesting and useful. I used to think like you until actually visiting the country a few times. It always amuses me how the media here portrays the country as some evil gulag-regime where everyone lives in fear of the goverment. It's not like the endless whining about Russia's human rights has made any difference either. 

Oh, I love the business travelers who come back and say "I was there and didn't see ANY problems!" and the long march has been documented to be very different from Mao's version.  Pick up a copy of "Mao, The Untold Story" and plenty of people live in fear of both the local and national governments, look at what a sad, cruel joke the petition system is.
 
The grass mud horses shall overcome the river crabs and their foreign friends.












 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/16/2009 9:36:44 PM
I never said I didn't see any problems. Nor was I a business traveller. Most people I met there/here thought that China would be better off now had Guomindang won the civil war. I have read the book you mentioned and have heard lots of stories from Mao's era. No Chinese person I ever met has missed that period.
 
That's not going to change the fact that most of the comments in this thread are incredibly stupid (including the first post). And what do you think should be done with the PRC? Taiwan missed the whole communist crap period and they turned out ok, same as cities like Shanghai or Shenzen today. The countryside is a different story but there's more to that country's development than the government. India has been a democracy for over five decades now and based on what I've seen, things are far shittier there than in PRC.
 
 
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