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Subject: Why all the hostilities towards China?
analdestroyer    1/19/2009 12:29:29 AM
I sometimes wonder why all the hostilities towards china in this forum?, i even read that someone suggested the US to send B2 to wreck chinese three gorges dam? where all of this come from, is it from jealousy?, certaintly not as you americans has been living so well off, is it because dare i say 'fear' as the chinese are rapidly catching up on you, certainly this is exagerrating, no matter how fast the chinese are growing its still decades away to be on the same footing as the US, or is it because they are different? different in their way of doing things that you guys are so worked up, different yet produces the same or arguably better results, for example china is not democracy so it must be evil, yes china is not democracy nor it needed to be at the moment, but its heading that way, for democracy to work first the state must achieve stability and to achieve stability means continuing economic growth, after all democray is where the people become more affluent and so they demand more say on how goverments run things, remember democray does not make western countries rich, they become rich because of colonization (mercantilism) and industrialization (which is what the chinese are doing), secondly your mantra of free market capitalism over state controlled economy, you seems to think that the state is naturally idiot and the market is naturally brilliant, guess again it was an epic mistake, it is you who now moving toward state control—by nationalizing the banking and car industries, and imposing heavy new regulation on the financial industry, accusing them of yuan depreciation while ignoring the fact that is has been increasing by 21.5% towards the dollars, the chinese are a nation of learners they learn from others success and mistakes, they want to avoid the fate of russia in 90's moving too fast from socialism economy to free market and democracy, you americans called it shock therapy which proves to be all shock and no therapy, and you might be suprised that 8 out of 9 of its top leaderships is engineers instead of attorneys and lawyers like in the US you should read this article on newsweek http://www.newsweek.com/id/178810/page/1 its quite rare US media potrays China in positive light
 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/10/2009 7:56:00 AM
I wouldn't exactly call Shanghai a tourist zone. Every major city in the USA, let alone in the EU has way more tourists. And yes, I've been to the countryside near Baoji and Shanxi in Shaanxi province, in Yunnan, Liaoning and somewhere outside Beijing.
 
The countryside is very poor indeed (depends on the area though, Liaoning was ok but Shaanxihttp://strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emsad.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" />). Big surprise, it's a developing country. It amazes me how fast the situation has improved during the last 20 or 30 years. Of course the new wealth concentrates in the urban areas but the countryside gets a share too. When people told me what it was like to live in Mao's or Deng's era I found it hard to believe. 

I'm aware of the crimes committed by the local governments. The whole lower-level party system is incredibly corrupted and full of mobsters. In recent years the government has tried to weed out the integrated organized crime, IMO not enough, but still they do something about it. And people should put all the crime and corruption into context. Similar stuff happens in India and Mexico every day but nobody is that interested because those countries arent evil and communist. International and domestic companies rape the environment and the local population as much in India as in China. However, an event like the Union Carbide incident would be more likely to be put on trial in China.
 
 And having seen how the chinese society works, I really don't believe a total democracy would work there today. Many areas would just flip off to Beijing if they just could. The Chinese have some bad memories of what happens when the country splits up. The country is probably at its stablest since-what-the 19th century? And everyone there just wants to make moar money.

 
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HERALD1357       3/10/2009 8:46:14 AM
Shrug. When you are referred to as n&*64; búshì d&&33;ngxi, and the local 1%er scum openly boast of how they will supplant you and take your women, you tend to adopt a RUSSIAN viewpoint very fast.
 
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HERALD1357    typos?   3/10/2009 8:48:43 AM

Shrug. When you are referred to as "ni búshì dongxi," and the local 1%er scum openly boast of how they will supplant you and take your women, you tend to adopt a RUSSIAN viewpoint very fast.

 

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I hate this buggy HTML.
 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/10/2009 11:30:40 AM

Shrug. When you are referred to as n&*64; búshì d&&33;ngxi, and the local 1%er scum openly boast of how they will supplant you and take your women, you tend to adopt a RUSSIAN viewpoint very fast.

 

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I don't have a clue what are you on about.
 
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HERALD1357    EXACTLY.   3/10/2009 11:44:05 AM




Shrug. When you are referred to as n&*64; búshì d&&33;ngxi, and the local 1%er scum openly boast of how they will supplant you and take your women, you tend to adopt a RUSSIAN viewpoint very fast.



 



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I don't have a clue what are you on about.^1
^1 ni búshì dongxi means a "something less than Human" and is an insult applied to the chuseng=i.e. animals; that is us foreigners, or gouzaizi. Want to know what that is? 

That is why I suspect you are not as well informed as you think you are.
 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/10/2009 1:45:53 PM










Shrug. When you are referred to as n&*64; búshì d&&33;ngxi, and the local 1%er scum openly boast of how they will supplant you and take your women, you tend to adopt a RUSSIAN viewpoint very fast.







 







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I don't have a clue what are you on about.^1

^1 ni búshì dongxi means a "something less than Human" and is an insult applied to the chuseng=i.e. animals; that is us foreigners, or gouzaizi. Want to know what that is? 



That is why I suspect you are not as well informed as you think you are.

 


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Hao de hao de hao de. Ni bu shi dongxi = you are nothing. Dong=east, xi=west, dongxi=eastwest= stuff. I canz come up with better pinyin insults than that :p
I might not be astonishingly well-informed but at least I have some information on the subject. But I don't really understand why you started to write insults in pinyin instead of-you know- discussing things in a peaceful and civilized manner.
 
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HERALD1357    Nice google.   3/10/2009 2:11:06 PM
Simple. Apologists for the PRCs are to me.......the ENEMY.

Endit.
 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/10/2009 9:58:56 PM
It's always nice to make new enemies.

I don't like the PRC government. However, I can't see a better alternative in the near future. Sometimes I wonder if people who criticize PRC of not letting Tibet free, etc. have any clue of the country's demographics and all the ethnicities and internal frictions within its borders. Maybe these people would be happy if PRC was just another third world shithole full of warlords fighting each other.

There is two kinds of development: negative and positive. What Mao did with the great leap and the cultural revolution was huge negative development which damaged the society for decades to come. In today's PRC positive development can be seen in the field of politics and economy as well as fighting corruption and providing even some civil rights. Although it's not yet wise/possible for ordinary people to sue government employees and the whole judicial system is a joke, an event like the milk scandal would just have been kept secret 15 or 20 years ago.

If you have any suggestions about how China should develop/change politically in the near future, please feel free to post.  
 
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YelliChink       3/11/2009 4:40:13 AM
I don't like the PRC government. However, I can't see a better alternative in the near future. Sometimes I wonder if people who criticize PRC of not letting Tibet free, etc. have any clue of the country's demographics and all the ethnicities and internal frictions within its borders. Maybe these people would be happy if PRC was just another third world shithole full of warlords fighting each other.

That's something that will happen if commies are allowed to keep doing their atrocity in China.
 
And, guess what, China was a third world shithole full of warlords fighting each other about 90 years ago. That was the direct result of disintegration of Qing Empire. Just like how those warlords were former Qing generals, the warlords of future China will be PLA generals today.
 
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YelliChink       3/11/2009 4:53:00 AM

There is two kinds of development: negative and positive. What Mao did with the great leap and the cultural revolution was huge negative development which damaged the society for decades to come. In today's PRC positive development can be seen in the field of politics and economy as well as fighting corruption and providing even some civil rights. Although it's not yet wise/possible for ordinary people to sue government employees and the whole judicial system is a joke, an event like the milk scandal would just have been kept secret 15 or 20 years ago.
You should stop reading anything from Xinhua and stop watching anything from CCTV. 
 
There was practically, not only lack of any progress in political reform and advancement of civil rights, but also reverse into more totalitarian approach on these issues since 1989. Just because they "reform" their faces to make them look more western, doesn't mean the intrinsic power structure has changed, and definitely only has negative impact on civil rights, liberty and property rights.
 
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