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Subject: Why all the hostilities towards China?
analdestroyer    1/19/2009 12:29:29 AM
I sometimes wonder why all the hostilities towards china in this forum?, i even read that someone suggested the US to send B2 to wreck chinese three gorges dam? where all of this come from, is it from jealousy?, certaintly not as you americans has been living so well off, is it because dare i say 'fear' as the chinese are rapidly catching up on you, certainly this is exagerrating, no matter how fast the chinese are growing its still decades away to be on the same footing as the US, or is it because they are different? different in their way of doing things that you guys are so worked up, different yet produces the same or arguably better results, for example china is not democracy so it must be evil, yes china is not democracy nor it needed to be at the moment, but its heading that way, for democracy to work first the state must achieve stability and to achieve stability means continuing economic growth, after all democray is where the people become more affluent and so they demand more say on how goverments run things, remember democray does not make western countries rich, they become rich because of colonization (mercantilism) and industrialization (which is what the chinese are doing), secondly your mantra of free market capitalism over state controlled economy, you seems to think that the state is naturally idiot and the market is naturally brilliant, guess again it was an epic mistake, it is you who now moving toward state control—by nationalizing the banking and car industries, and imposing heavy new regulation on the financial industry, accusing them of yuan depreciation while ignoring the fact that is has been increasing by 21.5% towards the dollars, the chinese are a nation of learners they learn from others success and mistakes, they want to avoid the fate of russia in 90's moving too fast from socialism economy to free market and democracy, you americans called it shock therapy which proves to be all shock and no therapy, and you might be suprised that 8 out of 9 of its top leaderships is engineers instead of attorneys and lawyers like in the US you should read this article on newsweek http://www.newsweek.com/id/178810/page/1 its quite rare US media potrays China in positive light
 
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YelliChink       1/28/2009 12:15:05 PM
http://www.epochtimes.com/b5/9/1/28/n2411237.htm>http://www.epochtimes.com/b5/9/1/28/n2411237.htm Possible commie strategy in taking over Western MSM by buying them out in bad times. We all know how New York Times and Los Angeles Times are doing even before the current recession. It gives commies good opportunity in buying out these media for their propaganda.
 
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HERALD1357       1/28/2009 12:31:52 PM

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Possible commie strategy in taking over Western MSM by buying them out in bad times.

We all know how New York Times and Los Angeles Times are doing even before the current recession. It gives commies good opportunity in buying out these media for their propaganda.


So the CCP is drawing up a plan to buy Western media using skeleton financing and front companies? Will they use their traditional stooge operations in Indonesia (Sorry GoG) and Burma? Or will they front this out of their newfound  Middle East bandit buddies in the GCC?

Herald
 
 

 
 
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Nichevo    Off topic - Burma   1/28/2009 3:55:54 PM
Is it legit to traffic in gems, e.g. rubies, from Burma?  Or are they under some kind of interdict like blood diamonds in Africa?  My gf mentioned some kind of opportunity and I was wondering if this is worth taking to a family friend who is a jeweler.  TIA N
 
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Nichevo    Oh and on a lark re Fu Manchu   1/28/2009 4:09:14 PM
However paranoid, apparently "the drugging of Norris West with hashish" to get the combination to the safe is good SF.  Inasmuch as it came true later.  I'm sure you've all heard of the MKULTRA series of experiments by CIA, trying to achieve mind control?  Well, one trick they used which apparently had some good results, was a high-powered marijuana derivative.  Colorless, odorless, IIRC - slipped into a drink or added to a cigarette, had some pretty good results in getting cooperation.  So somebody was doing their homework.
 
And as for paranoid, the long-term planning horizons of Chinese and Japanese (wouldn't presume to say "Asian" or "Oriental") strategic thinking are well known to the point of cliche.  I'm sure the leases on Hong Kong, for example, were signed with every intention of getting 'em back in time.  Note, I believe the Brits still hold perpetual leasehood on Hong Kong proper - but only held a 99-year lease on the New Territories, without which Hong Kong would be presently unsustainable.   So the idea of sinister Chinese planning at their weakest point, in the softlee softlee catchee monkey timeframe, is not as absurd as mirror-imaging against our MTV culture would make it seem.
 
As far as I can see the Chinese are making all the right moves.  You can almost hardly blame them.  They are doing what seems very much in their best interest.  Should they be allowed to?  IMHO no - but they ain't crazy.  If we want to deal with it, and not just walk into a buzzsaw, we do have a responsibility to step up and understand what is happening.  Then again, there is so much housecleaning to be done in our own house, it almost seems absurd to worry about theirs - not an argument, just an inconvenient fact.
 
Too bad they don't have a minorities problem sapping their strength.  Or rather, too bad their minorities problem isn't allowed to go sapping their strength.http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emsmiled.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" />
 
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Godofgamblers       1/28/2009 9:17:22 PM



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Possible commie strategy in taking over Western MSM by buying them out in bad times.




We all know how New York Times and Los Angeles Times are doing even before the current recession. It gives commies good opportunity in buying out these media for their propaganda.







So the CCP is drawing up a plan to buy Western media using skeleton financing and front companies? Will they use their traditional stooge operations in Indonesia (Sorry GoG) and Burma? Or will they front this out of their newfound  Middle East bandit buddies in the GCC?



Herald


 

 




 
An update on that, H: remember the Indo front company that funneled campaign donations to Clinton from China that we once discussed? Someone from the same family just got caught bribing a judge to give a positive decision in an anti-monopoly trial.
Defendant Billy denies bribing antimonopoly commissioner
The Jakarta Post ,  Jakarta   |  Wed, 01/21/2009 7:16 PM  |  National
Defendant and business owner Billy Sindoro denied Wednesday he had handed over a bag full of money to a member of the Business Competition Supervisory Commission (KPPU) Muhammad Iqbal to grease the acquittal of pay-TV Direct Vision owners from monopoly charges.
"At that time, I thought the money belonged to Iqbal. I gave it to him when he was about to leave the Aston Hotel in South Jakarta," he testified in court Wednesday {HAHAHAHA good one! i'm sure the jury will buy that! -GoG}.
He also said Iqbal had initiated the meeting.
"I invited him to meet with me only once, the other three meetings took place upon Iqbal's requests. Moreover, we never discussed broadcasting rights for the English Premier League (EPL) soccer tournament during our meetings," he said.
Billy is a top executive of Lippo Group, a shareholder of Direct Vision. The Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) has charged Billy with bribing Iqbal to free the pay-TV firm from charges they had secured a monopoly to broadcast the EPL soccer tournament.
The court will hear the prosecution summation Jan. 28. (ewd)

I wonder if Indonesia's favorite Menteng-son, Obama, received any help from Chinese-Indonesian sources. It wouldn't be impossible.... all the same players are still in action....
 
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Godofgamblers       1/28/2009 9:24:52 PM

Is it legit to traffic in gems, e.g. rubies, from Burma?  Or are they under some kind of interdict like blood diamonds in Africa?  My gf mentioned some kind of opportunity and I was wondering if this is worth taking to a family friend who is a jeweler.  TIA N
Hey Nichi buddy
It's an industry filled with sharks; if you don't know what you're doing... you will get taken.
I once heard though that if you have UNCUT diamonds, you can pass thru any customs in the world with no worry....! Maybe someone can confirm and explain to me why that is!
 
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Nichevo       1/28/2009 9:50:50 PM
Noted and thankya, GoG.  I just want to be square on the righteousness or lack o'same before considering the more   practical aspects. 
 
I would guess that uncut diamonds care unregistered and untraceable, maybe?  And of course you can always swallow 'em.
 
 
 
BTW, as long as I have your man-about-town attention, let me ask you something else...
 
Happening into Japanese pr0n was quite a smack in the face.  The things they do!  Is there a similar Chinese pr0n industry, in size or scope, or do they just watch the Japanese stuff?  
 
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HERALD1357    Oh its true.   1/28/2009 10:00:10 PM







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Possible commie strategy in taking over Western MSM by buying them out in bad times.









We all know how New York Times and Los Angeles Times are doing even before the current recession. It gives commies good opportunity in buying out these media for their propaganda.
















So the CCP is drawing up a plan to buy Western media using skeleton financing and front companies? Will they use their traditional stooge operations in Indonesia (Sorry GoG) and Burma? Or will they front this out of their newfound  Middle East bandit buddies in the GCC?







Herald






 



 










 


An update on that, H: remember the Indo front company that funneled campaign donations to Clinton from China that we once discussed? Someone from the same family just got caught bribing a judge to give a positive decision in an anti-monopoly trial.


Defendant Billy denies bribing antimonopoly commissioner

The Jakarta Post ,  Jakarta   |  Wed, 01/21/2009 7:16 PM  |  National

Defendant and business owner Billy Sindoro denied Wednesday he had handed over a bag full of money to a member of the Business Competition Supervisory Commission (KPPU) Muhammad Iqbal to grease the acquittal of pay-TV Direct Vision owners from monopoly charges.

"At that time, I thought the money belonged to Iqbal. I gave it to him when he was about to leave the Aston Hotel in South Jakarta," he testified in court Wednesday {HAHAHAHA good one! i'm sure the jury will buy that! -GoG}.

He also said Iqbal had initiated the meeting.

"I invited him to meet with me only once, the other three meetings took place upon Iqbal's requests. Moreover, we never discussed broadcasting rights for the English Premier League (EPL) soccer tournament during our meetings," he said.

Billy is a top executive of Lippo Group, a shareholder of Direct Vision. The Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) has charged Billy with bribing Iqbal to free the pay-TV firm from charges they had secured a monopoly to broadcast the EPL soccer tournament.

The court will hear the prosecution summation Jan. 28. (ewd)



I wonder if Indonesia's favorite Menteng-son, Obama, received any help from Chinese-Indonesian sources. It wouldn't be impossible.... all the same players are still in action....

Chinese money made its way to ACORN. Funny how that has SUDDENLY dropped off the MSM radar as of NOVEMBER?
 
Herald.
 
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Nichevo       1/28/2009 10:16:54 PM
Oh plz, Herald, when did MSM focus on either?  What was that commie cliche for "not helpful to the [war] effort?"
 
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Godofgamblers       1/28/2009 11:07:10 PM

Noted and thankya, GoG.  I just want to be square on the righteousness or lack o'same before considering the more   practical aspects. 

 

I would guess that uncut diamonds care unregistered and untraceable, maybe?  And of course you can always swallow 'em.

 

 

 

BTW, as long as I have your man-about-town attention, let me ask you something else...


 

Happening into Japanese pr0n was quite a smack in the face.  The things they do!  Is there a similar Chinese pr0n industry, in size or scope, or do they just watch the Japanese stuff?  



Keep away from the Jap stuff, N, just weird..... they're a bit too wound up i think. As for the chinese stuff, i've seen some, but have no idea where it comes from. Could be from HK or who knows. It's pretty grim too. To be avoided. Usually shot in a short time hotel with subpar camera, crude lighting... I could record better stuff on my cellphone (in fact i have hehehehe -just kidding).
There's a place in JKT called Glodok, which is Jakarta's Chinatown. Center of the porn DVD market.
 
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