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Subject: what are the trump cards of USA and PRC
verong    1/14/2009 2:06:54 PM
Hey Folks, the USA has nuke, and distance from PRC as its two biggest trump card. PRC has economic strangulation by ending exports to USA which would cost the USA almost as much as a nuke strick, and it also has the distance card, since it would take years for the USA to extend itself with enough conventional power to challenge the PRC and third the PRC has more manpower than the USA. Anybody think of any additional trump cards???? Sincerely, Keith
 
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Nichevo       1/19/2009 5:39:30 AM

"Yeah, I'm sure the ones you feed will be real nationalistic."
So you completely agree that China can feed everyone it needs. Also since US trade is only 20% of Chinese exports, and China actually has enough domestic agriculture to feed everyone, it's kind of a moot point. But still well done Nichevo! You actually understod an argument! This must be a big day for you! By the way I'm British, but please do have fun asking questions to your imaginary Chinese girlfirend. The day you find love from a real woman is the day Luxembourg kicks the US in a war.



Parmenion, it is only my opinion that you are a) too stupid to live and b) not long for this board, but it is a fact that you are c) a liar and d) no longer worth my time.  Bye now.
 
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jastayme3       1/23/2009 10:33:42 AM
The Sea and The Air.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    Parmenion   1/23/2009 11:41:26 AM
"Prehaps it's more reasonable to say that neither the US or China can pull an "economic widowmaker". They can just make lots of Chinese and Americans unemployed and wreck the dollar. The problem is that China can ultimately recover and the Party can't be voted out. As for China superseding the US, it will happen eventually. Frankly it dosen't matter if they can build the engine today, because, as you pointed out, they can simply steal the designs from Europe and the US. And China has the fastest growing population of university students in the sciences in the world while US enrollment in science is stagnating. Eventually that edge is going to dissapear"
 
A wrecked dollar would be bad for China as well because China gets IDB, IMF and ADB loans in dollars.
China has also taken huge losses to its forex reserves, it had 25% of those reserves tied up in AIG and 
Bear Stearns bonds and who knows where else it lost money.
 
As for all of China's "engineers", most are unimaginative dullards who only do what they are told and have no imagination.
 
There are also lots of "sales engineers" and other faux titles meant to add prestige to non-engineering careers.
 
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Rysa       7/5/2009 9:37:44 AM
EvilFish, what's with you calling the Chinese - Facists? That is a blatenly unessecary attack. Do I need to tell you that China is made up of 56 ethnicities. They are more like you Americans, then you want to believe.
 
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warpig       7/5/2009 1:48:20 PM

EvilFish, what's with you calling the Chinese - Facists? That is a blatenly unessecary attack. Do I need to tell you that China is made up of 56 ethnicities. They are more like you Americans, then you want to believe.


It's all good, Rysa--there are plenty of American fascists, too.  I could look out my office window across the Potomac and into D.C., and I'd very likely be looking towards thousands of them.
 
 
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usajoe1    not in this generation   7/5/2009 5:33:34 PM
As for China superseding the US, it will happen eventually.---
 
China is anywhere from 10 to 50 years behind in most technological areas, when compared to the US, Japan and Western Europe. almost 80% of their population still lives on a couple of dollars a day. The PRC Navy is still 20 to 30 years away from becoming a true blue water navy. They still rely on Russia and Ukraine for aircraft and ship engines. Their military industrail tech. Is behind the US, Russia, France, UK, Germany, Italy, Japan, Israel, and even South Korea. Yes China is growing fast, but they are still a long way from becomig a economical, military, cultural, and plolitcal global power, on the same level as the US.
 
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Heorot    Usajoe   7/5/2009 6:35:11 PM

I wouldn?t be so sure if I were you. Think on this:

In 1850 Britain was at the height of its power, roughly where the US is now. The US was a backward country with little manufacturing and no influence in world affairs. Only 100 years later, in 1950, the US was at the height of its power and the British empire was no longer sustainable and was disintegrating.

Things can change faster than you imagine. As Harold Wilson said, A week is a long time in politics.
 
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usajoe1       7/5/2009 7:06:31 PM
I wouldn?t be so sure if I were you. Think on this:
I have thought about it.

In 1850 Britain was at the height of its power, roughly where the US is now. The US was a backward country with little manufacturing and no influence in world affairs. Only 100 years later, in 1950, the US was at the height of its power and the British empire was no longer sustainable and was disintegrating.
By the late 1890's the US was already the top economical power in the world. By 1914 the US was producing more steel than Germany, UK, Russia, France combained. Remember guys like Rockefellar, J.P. Morgan and Carnegie, were at the top of their respectfull buisneses in he world, oil, banking, and steel. After the Spanish American war of 1898 the US became the second most powerful navy in the world, and its influence in the world in the early 20th century was third, behind UK, and France. Now as far as the British Empire is conserned, the reason it fell was the economical troubles of two world wars and the sustainment of such a large and spread out empire was too much for her. The US does not face the same problems today, and China is not the worlds top economy, as the US was way before 1950's!



Things can change faster than you imagine. As Harold Wilson said, A week is a long time in politics.
Things can change fast, but a country that has about the same GDP per capita as Armenia and Jordan is not going to pass the US or EU any time soon.
 
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