---As for China's economic clout, just remember who owns well over half of the US debt, since the last Japanese budget scramble. China can pull an economic widowmaker on the United States by calling in on it's loans.---

Speaking of ---cloud cuckoo land--- is that the place you visited while sleeping through Econ 101?

Do you know the definition of market value? How about the concept of supply and demand?

China sent the USA real, tangible assets in the form of materials, goods, and some services. What did China get? China got paper currency. What happens when a market is flooded with a good (supply exceeds demand)? Well, the price falls dramatically and quite quickly. What does this mean?

This means your little ---economic widowmaker--- is just that: FOR CHINA as dumping their supply of treasury notes, bonds, and all other securities on the market would drop the price to near nothingness.

Translation: China would have traded HARD, TANGIBLE, VALUABLE goods and services for what the equivalent of TOILET PAPER.

Keeping in mind the fact that China-s primary currency is still pegged to the Dollar (which I remind you is the world-s reserve currency) this would be the single fastest way to watch all of China-s wealth melt away so fast you could measure the downfall with an egg timer.

I am not saying this will not hurt the USA; hyper inflation seems inevitable at the current rate Congress treats the US taxpayer/piggy bank, but I am saying this will hurt China FAR MORE than it will hurt the USA (given a whole host or problems China enjoys while the USA does not).

---As for a trade embargo, well yes that will hurt China. But the Chinese people are a lot more prepared for and used to coping with hardship than even the average American.---

This is very true; the hardest time any American can remember is living with out a job and rationing food. The hardest time the Chinese can recall is a time when the Government-s incompetence cause the widespread starvation of TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

What relevance this has on MODERN DAY CHINA, I have no clue. People are people and once people get used to running water and electricity, doing with out will prove detrimental to any sitting government (regardless of the nation). You can bank of that.

---The loss of half it's exports due to the USA will not destabilise the PRC, it will do the opposite- galvanising the fiercely nationalistic Chinese people against a common enemy.---

So all those Chinese who are starving to death because they are out of work, who just had their life savings wiped out and who basically have nothing to live for will do, what, exactly?

---As for US Naval attacks on Chinese imports, dream on mate.---

People have been underestimating the USA for over 200 years and I see the trend endures to this day.

--- I mean fine, the USA has the world's best navy- you can talk about that all you like, just remember to keep a kleenex handy for when you're done.---

I do not need Kleenex; I prefer a moist towel when thinking of the USA-s navy and my families illustrious history in the United States Navy serving in the Civil War, Spanish American War, First World War, and Second World War.

---But no US administration would willingly start World War 3.---

I would not put money on that given some of the characters the USA has elected to the office of President.

---Because if you go after those oil supplies that's what you're doing, and China will respond with the scenario recently envisaged in the US wargames centred over the invasion of Taiwan, where "red team" shoots down US satellites which outside of cloud cuckoo land is nearly impossible to stop, and then proceeds to defeat or inflict critical losses on US forces defending Taiwan, relatively uncoordinated without their technology.---

Recall what I said about underestimating the United States? You just did it again.

The USN did just fine for 200 years with out satellite technology and they possess the power today to fight a war with out such toys.

---Then after that, the gloves are off, and you'e got to think what Japan, Russia, and India will do. I'm not saying it looks great for China, but by week two US will be derided by it's allies, humiliated over it's first loss of a major pitched battle since the war of 1812, and having to chose between b

---Moist towel? I'm not even going to ask,---

A wise policy me thinks. Needless to say, I hold the US Military, the UNS in particular, in high regard.

---As for underestimating the USN, it's not me who did so, but the US military---

You must always realize that in the USA, every message sent has a particular audience in mind and as such each message is tailored to suit that particular audience. I would not so readily put stock in what you read least of which coming from a war game (especially so if it is what I think it is). This is not to say they are wrong or you should dismiss what they say outright due to who is speaking but merely for you to consider the source and their particular goals when digesting the data.

---Look up the recent wargames in Colorado I believe, and you will see that with the current level of satellite defenses, in a suprise attack red team conquered brown team- that's taiwan by the way, and inflicted heavy lossed on blue team bfore blue team could react.---

See what I wrote above. A war game is just that; a game. It is a scripted event. By the way, could you be so kind as to post the specific Wargame to which you refer so I could study the specifics of such a game (specifically the goal in mind for the event).

There is this myth going around that the USMilitary and the USN is so tech dependent that the very denial of some specific toys mean they are rendered combat ineffective. My point earlier was that the USN has the tools and experience, with out such tech if needed, to fight such a war.

China is not America-s equal militarily and even if China could remove ALL OF America-s assets in the sky (I find this unlikely) this would not mean that America is automatically brought down to China-s level nor would it mean that America would no longer be able to wage war.

Guided bombs do not simply rely on GPS and the great thing about a GPS bomb with out GPS is it will still go BOOOM when it hits something. America has many bombs and some are so large that guidance is really not needed.

---I'm sure that the USN could definintely win and probably invade Hong Kong if they felt like it, but you should remember your history too- a more powerful force can still be defeated if they're suprised and have their lines of communication temporarily cut.---

Oh I recall my history quite well which is why I cited the American Civil War. How many times did an --impregnable, unstoppable--- Union Army meet utter defeat and destruction at the hands of a Virginian Engineer. All of my ancestors, that I am aware of anyway, fought for the Union and we still have writings about the -great /s- leadership of the likes of Scot, McClellan, Meade and Hooker who pissed away time and lives.

My point was not to say the USN is a bigger/badder boy than the Chinese Navy Ergo they win each and every time. No, my point was to say the USN has the tools in her belt, satellites or not, and, most importantly, the experience the Chinese do not have in such an encounter.

---In the American civil war every engagement lost by US forces was by definition aslo won by US forces- so although great history, it's kind of irrelevant here.---

This is not accurate. The CSA was not the USA. The separation happened (which makes some of Lincoln-s policies quite contradictory given the states had to be readmitted into the Union). You could say Americans, as in NORTH Americans or Confederate Americas won specific battles but to suggest the Union Army won at Antietam, Bull Run (Mananas and Second Mananas), Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, Chickamauga, Spotsylvania is nonsense. These were sound defeats for the American Army. Well you could argue Antietam but the rest were sound whippings of the Union Army.

---As for the detailed economics, unless you can show me your ecnonomics degree I'm not going to get started,---