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Subject: Proliferation- Laser ring gyro
Necromancer    12/16/2008 7:31:20 PM
Anyone know if France sold this technology to India for missiles(ICBMs etc)- suddenly Indian missiles hit target and extend range- inexplicable ??? LaserRing Gyro for Rafale??
 
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ArtyEngineer       12/16/2008 8:48:06 PM
The addition of a Ring Laser Gyro (RLG) will have little if any impact on range.  Not quite sure what you are asking with regards to teh the Rafale?  The addition of an RLG in place of a mechanical gyro for teh Nav system is not going to enhance its performace in any way.  Well...actually thats not true, a RLG can power up and initialise quicker than a mechanical type but thats about it.
 
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HERALD1357       12/16/2008 10:01:04 PM

The addition of a Ring Laser Gyro (RLG) will have little if any impact on range.  Not quite sure what you are asking with regards to teh the Rafale?  The addition of an RLG in place of a mechanical gyro for teh Nav system is not going to enhance its performace in any way.  Well...actually thats not true, a RLG can power up and initialise quicker than a mechanical type but thats about it.

Yeah, Herk the Jerk is fishing around trying to get somebody to educate him about an INS. I think I'd pass.

Herald
 
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WarNerd       12/18/2008 5:43:53 AM
A laser-ring gyro also does not wear out quickly if you keep it ready to launch (no moving parts).  Conventional gyros have a very limited operating life before their performance starts to deteriorate.
 
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ArtyEngineer       12/19/2008 12:25:23 PM

A laser-ring gyro also does not wear out quickly if you keep it ready to launch (no moving parts).  Conventional gyros have a very limited operating life before their performance starts to deteriorate.

There are other benfits to having a Ring Laser type with regards to minaturisation, ability to withstand g forces, responsiveness to changes in orientation and position amongst other things, however nothing that makes a ring laser type vastly superior to a mechanical type for the purposes of the heart of an aircrafts inertial nav system.
Also its not strictly true that Ring Laser type have no moving parts............some bits are forced to vibrate at quite a high frequency.  If anyone can tell me what and why I will be impressed!!!!!!!
 
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FJV    Moving parts   12/19/2008 4:23:02 PM
I remember reading somewhere that a ring laser gyroscope is made to move to improve accuracy.
 
If I remember correctly the ring laser gyroscope does not perfectly work with slow movement and that they oscilate the gyroscope so that the movement is alway faster than this low speed.
 

RLGs, while more accurate than mechanical gyros, suffer from an effect known as "lock-in" at very slow rotation rates. When the ring laser is rotating very slowly, the frequencies of the counter-rotating lasers become very close (within the laser bandwidth). At this low rotation, the nulls in the standing wave tend to "get stuck" on the mirrors, locking the frequency of each beam to the same value, and the interference fringes no longer move relative to the detector; in this scenario, the device will not accurately track its angular position over time.

Dithering can compensate for lock-in. The entire apparatus is twisted and untwisted about its axis at a rate convenient to the mechanical resonance of the system, thus ensuring that the angular velocity of the system is usually far from the lock-in threshold. Typical rates are 400 Hz, with a peak dither velocity of 1 arc-second per second.
 
 
 

 
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HIPAR       12/19/2008 6:15:10 PM
These devices have been around long enough for any nation with the scientific aptitude of India to produce them domestically.
 
---  CHAS

 
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ArtyEngineer    HIPAR   12/19/2008 7:39:37 PM

These devices have been around long enough for any nation with the scientific aptitude of India to produce them domestically.

 

---  CHAS





Its not really about teh scientific principals.  The science behind how a RLG works is no more complex than highschool level physics.  Its about your manufacturing base.  Can you make good enough mirros and optics etc.  In the case of India I would say yes, they could probably produce indegenous RLG's without too much trouble.
 
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HERALD1357    Quantum Mechanics   12/19/2008 11:01:46 PM



A laser-ring gyro also does not wear out quickly if you keep it ready to launch (no moving parts).  Conventional gyros have a very limited operating life before their performance starts to deteriorate.




There are other benfits to having a Ring Laser type with regards to minaturisation, ability to withstand g forces, responsiveness to changes in orientation and position amongst other things, however nothing that makes a ring laser type vastly superior to a mechanical type for the purposes of the heart of an aircrafts inertial nav system.


Also its not strictly true that Ring Laser type have no moving parts............some bits are forced to vibrate at quite a high frequency.  If anyone can tell me what and why I will be impressed!!!!!!!


The two light beams are split from the laser in the LRG and are transmitted in opposite directions, The beam that is opposite the direction of the main gyro rotation has the shorter distance to travel and this time difference is what is measured to get the difference as a proportion ratio of the actual gyro rotation. Intewrferomwetry is how, The problenm is that if you don't jitter the split beams with a piezo electric oscillating motor the beams will propogate backscatter in the ring path that will at those low ritation rates lockphase the split lasers so that the difference between the travel tomes opf the split beams degrades to ZERO-thus canceling the Sagnac Effectl.
 
You get cancellation or laser lock.
 
The jitter motor decouples the two spliut beams by dephasing the splet laser through oscillation from input to phase merge,
 
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