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Subject: French army falling apart, documents show
Claymore    6/6/2008 9:27:55 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/2084832/French-army-falling-apart%2C-documents-show.html Most of France's tanks, helicopters and jet fighters are unusable and its defence apparatus is on the verge of "falling apart", it has emerged. French army is falling apart France's military has been given a bleak prognosis According to confidential defence documents leaked to the French press, less than half of France's Leclerc tanks – 142 out of 346 – are operational and even these regularly break down. Less than half of its Puma helicopters, 37 per cent of its Lynx choppers and 33 per cent of its Super Frelon models – built 40 years ago – are in a fit state to fly, according to documents seen by Le Parisien newspaper. Two thirds of France's Mirage F1 reconnaissance jets are unusable at present. According to army officials, the precarious state of France's defence equipment almost led to catastrophe in April, when French special forces rescued the passengers and crew of a luxury yacht held by pirates off the Somali coast. Although ultimately a success, the rescue operation nearly foundered at an early stage, when two of the frigates carrying troops suffered engine failure, and a launch laden with special forces' equipment sunk under its weight. Later, an Atlantic 2 jet tracking the pirates above Somali territory suffered engine failure and had to make an emergency landing in Yemen. "External operations, in the Ivory Coast and Lebanon are a fig leaf: we are able to keep up the pretence but in ten years our defence apparatus will fall apart," one high-ranking official said. The disclosure comes just ten days before President Nicolas Sarkozy announces a major reform of the armed forces, with a defence white paper outlining France's military priorities for the next 15 years. He is expected to argue that the situation can only improve by reducing the number of France's operational troops from 50,000 to 30,000, and its fighter aircraft, as well as closing military bases. He will also use the occasion to push for greater military integration in Europe, an issue that France will highlight when it takes over the EU's six-month rotating presidency in July. French proposals circulating in Brussels show that France wants a new EU military headquarters based in the Belgian capital and run by Europe's new foreign policy chief. It is also calling for a bigger rapid reaction force and for countries to spend more on defence. France has played down its European defence ambitions for fear of boosting the No vote in Ireland's referendum on the Lisbon treaty on June 12. In parallel to beefing up the EU's defence capability, Mr Sarkozy is keen on France becoming a full member of Nato's integrated military command structure, which Charles de Gaulle left in 1966. But he is unlikely to make a decision on this until next year. Story from Telegraph News: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/2084832/French-army-falling-apart%2C-documents-show.html
 
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Herald12345    From The Telegraph?   6/7/2008 12:29:12 AM
Need to second source this. Much as I know current French technology and military organization is a mixed bag of very good bits and pieces of tech mixed in within an absolute crap technology tree in general, I want to emphasize that this is "The Telegraph". I want to see this conclusion either in DID or Le Monde before I blow taps over the French.

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Nichevo       6/8/2008 3:54:52 AM
You always go straight to the technical - consider the political.  No matter how good their gear is, if it has been neglected, cannibalized, fallen victim to fraud or corruption, it could have failures as described.  I agree second sourcing is important - perhaps if for no other reason than to oblige BW et al to respond, which they have not yet done - but I would be asking, now which program office failed, but which politicians knew and didn't care?

I have advanced the hypothesis that the French arsenal is designed to provide one big bluff and a lot of driblets of wog-bashing.  For instance, their reliance on ship-launched missiles as opposed to aerial munitions can be explained by the fact that the SAM/SSM solution is cheaper for initial outlay but far costlier to reload. 

So if 'leaders' like say Chirac feel that all they need is to put on a show for the rubes, who cares whether stuff works?  The only problem is when it makes the papers.  Otherwise, free and clear to buy fresh concrete and new Car-B-Qs for les jeunes.

 
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Ispose    French Military   6/8/2008 10:31:13 PM
This is what happens when you don't pay to support your military infrastructure. All kidding to BW aside, the French have some very good equipment...while I don't agree with BW that the Rafale and Leclercs are Number 1's in their categories there are certainly and easily in the top 5.
If you don't invest in spare parts / training / and troop retention you will wind up with a paper tiger military. It's a shame to see French troops being short changed and endangered by their Gov'ts inability to see the whole picture.
All kidding aside BW I would like to hear your take on this issue...you are much closer to the issue than most of us are.
 
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Godofgamblers       6/13/2008 6:24:45 AM
France's opex is pushed to the max.
 
Every Frenchman knows that. But most European nations are in the same boat.
 
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