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Subject: America's Worst Enemy in History
mongyu    1/2/2008 8:16:10 AM
The title says it all: Who do you think has been the greatest enemy ever to threaten America? My vote goes to the British hands down. No other country ever came as close as the British to physically ending the United States in our history. The Germans and the Japanese were formidable in their own right, but neither [or even both] could reasonably invade the United States. The Soviet Union had the theoretical potential to destroy the United States, but I think everyone agrees that this was not a practical capability in the way the British Empire's ability to take Washington DC was. The Soviets were a dangerous enemy ideologically in the way it could convert adherents in America, but they never out-did the British who successfully supported a rebellion in the United States by funding, arming, and giving moral support to the Confederacy. So what country would you choose?
 
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Ehran       2/11/2008 1:53:08 PM
Soldiers who fought mounted on horseback were known as cavalry. During the English Civil Wars (1642-1651) they made up a third to a half of most armies. Oliver Cromwell rose to fame as a cavalry commander. Major Richard Atkyns of Prince Maurice?s Regiment of Horse wears the uniform of a Royalist harquebusier or light cavalryman. A fully equipped harquebusier would possess a sword, a pair of pistols, helmet, buff coat, back and breastplate, and a steel gauntlet to cover his bridle hand. In practice, very few were so well equipped.
 
 
just so i have this straight herald in support of your nattering on about arrows penetrating plate or not penetrating plate you post a source which says there wasn't much plate armour out there on that hypothetical battlefield to worry about penetrating.  did you ignore in toto paul's correction of your ignorance about the armour worn during the ecw?
 
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Ehran       2/11/2008 2:06:33 PM


Much of the arrow supply had to be gone by the eighth charge. That is 120,000+ arrows; or about 3,840 kilograms or 3.84 tonnes. 500,000+  arrows is just at the upper bound of what I would accept as Edwards ammunition supply.That is 16,000 kilograms or 16 tonnes, worth of arrows.

Herald

that's only 16-32 carts of arrows which seems not exactly an onerous burden to tow around.
also every battle i've read about people salvaging arrows from the field is prominently mentioned and if they were unable to recover significant amounts of arrows that way they wouldn't have been out there looking for them.  some of the arrows would have made several flights that day and helped with the logistical burden accordingly.

 
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Herald12345       2/11/2008 11:15:31 PM
Look,  moron, do you know how HARD it is to make an arrow?

Leave the mathematics and the logistics to those who know how.

As to the ECW armor, I always knew what the English horse soldier wore.CREF my comments about 30 posts previous.  Since you can't read and comprehend I don't consider your stupid comments to be anything but your usual stupid comments. If you want to continue this  exercise in futility where I take you two cretins apart by the numbers go to the Crecy thread.

I may deign to teach you two idiots, but be aware I now have a firm grasp on that battlespace.

You buffoons have forced me to become something of an "expert".

Herald
 
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paul1970       2/12/2008 7:02:50 AM

Look,  moron, do you know how HARD it is to make an arrow?

Leave the mathematics and the logistics to those who know how.

As to the ECW armor, I always knew what the English horse soldier wore.CREF my comments about 30 posts previous.  Since you can't read and comprehend I don't consider your stupid comments to be anything but your usual stupid comments. If you want to continue this  exercise in futility where I take you two cretins apart by the numbers go to the Crecy thread.

I may deign to teach you two idiots, but be aware I now have a firm grasp on that battlespace.

You buffoons have forced me to become something of an "expert".

Herald


hmmmm.... the obvious question that springs to mind is that IF you did know what they wore then WHY did you post that picture of a cavalryman wearing completely different armour at the same time as you posted the picture of the Genoese crossbowman wearing wrong armour??????????
 
either you didn't know or you posted the wrong pictures deliberately.......  you chose.
 
your last comment is very interesting.... you now think you are "something of an "expert""..and while claiming this you still post the junk I pointed out on the Crecy thread........ if this is the level you have rose to then I can barely imagine what your level was before you decided to become an "expert". Crecy was probably something you thought was part of a side salad.
 
Paul
 
 
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Herald12345       2/12/2008 9:13:51 AM
 I was as surprised at the engraving as anyone else, who knew what the English horsemen wore. By the way, thanks for admitting I was right about the armor the English wore during the ECW. Nice delay on that one, but the Herald trap snaps anyway.

REREAD where I told you exactly what the English wore before I posted that picture, buffoon.

Rest of your garbage is meaningless noise as usual. No facts of negation.

Herald





 
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paul1970       2/12/2008 11:54:36 AM

 I was as surprised at the engraving as anyone else, who knew what the English horsemen wore. By the way, thanks for admitting I was right about the armor the English wore during the ECW. Nice delay on that one, but the Herald trap snaps anyway.

REREAD where I told you exactly what the English wore before I posted that picture, buffoon.

Rest of your garbage is meaningless noise as usual. No facts of negation.

Herald






what do you mean that you were suprised by the engraving? that it showed wrong armour? .......in which case why post it???  why would anyone else be suprised????? anybody knowing anything about the armies involved would have seen it straight away.................
 
reread what bit? you have changed your opinion on stuff that many times that it is hard to keep up....  facts still remain the same as I pointed out right at the start... ECW don't wear anywhere near as much armour as HYW.
 
the rest of what you call garbage is me pointing out that you keep posting inaccurate info... you cannot deny that you did post them and that they were both factually inaccurate..... wrong ECW picture and wrong Genoese picture... whether this is because you didn't know what you were talking about or whether you did and posted them anyway to try and reinforce your points is the question......
 
oh... and have you seen any more Ironside foot in your google searches????   :-)

 
 
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Ehran       2/12/2008 11:56:43 AM

Look,  moron, do you know how HARD it is to make an arrow?
relevance of this being what?  making arrows was something of a cottage industry in england and they shipped them off to the british garrisons in france by the shipload.


Leave the mathematics and the logistics to those who know how.
still waiting to meet someone like that.

 

 

I may deign to teach you two idiots, but be aware I now have a firm grasp on that battlespace.

You buffoons have forced me to become something of an "expert".

Herald
teach?  you don't seem qualified to even take the class herald.
expert is rich given your track record of errors in this thread.  the horses is horses line was i believe when you jumped the shark.

 
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Herald12345       2/13/2008 12:43:35 AM



Look,  moron, do you know how HARD it is to make an arrow?

relevance of this being what?  making arrows was something of a cottage industry in england and they shipped them off to the british garrisons in france by the shipload.



Leave the mathematics and the logistics to those who know how.

still waiting to meet someone like that.

 


 


I may deign to teach you two idiots, but be aware I now have a firm grasp on that battlespace.

You buffoons have forced me to become something of an "expert".

Herald

teach?  you don't seem qualified to even take the class herald.

expert is rich given your track record of errors in this thread.  the horses is horses line was i believe when you jumped the shark.


I know what the march rate for horse cavalry is, grain requirements, feed allotment, burden loading, shelter requirement optimum picket spacing, length of tether line to the picket line, rest periods, chief medical conditions that worried cavalry officers and effective logistics reach from a horse depot is, cretin. CREF above my comments to Nichy about horse cavalry.

Do you? Nope.

Like I said, I'll teach you, bozo, if you want to learn.

Until then you are about as qualified as BW on any subject you address. ESPECIALLY barges.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Herald  

 
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paul1970    question specifically at H since he didn't answer....   2/13/2008 4:14:53 AM
 



teach?  you don't seem qualified to even take the class herald.



expert is rich given your track record of errors in this thread.  the horses is horses line was i believe when you jumped the shark.




I know what the march rate for horse cavalry is, grain requirements, feed allotment, burden loading, shelter requirement optimum picket spacing, length of tether line to the picket line, rest periods, chief medical conditions that worried cavalry officers and effective logistics reach from a horse depot is, cretin. CREF above my comments to Nichy about horse cavalry.

Do you? Nope.

Like I said, I'll teach you, bozo, if you want to learn.

Until then you are about as qualified as BW on any subject you address. ESPECIALLY barges.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Herald  



but you are the one who thinks that horses from the HYW and ACW charge at the same speed......    that like saying a ford escort goes at the same speed as lotus or that a speedboat goes at the same spped as a tug or that a musket is as fast firing as a bolt action or ad infini......
 
and what was this in reference to????? "REREAD where I told you exactly what the English wore before I posted that picture, buffoon."
you keep saying that you have addressed things or said it previously but as so vague as to woerk out out what considering your chameleon like ability to change mid thread.
 
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Herald12345    You are a liar.   2/13/2008 4:31:07 AM



 





teach?  you don't seem qualified to even take the class herald.





expert is rich given your track record of errors in this thread.  the horses is horses line was i believe when you jumped the shark.






I know what the march rate for horse cavalry is, grain requirements, feed allotment, burden loading, shelter requirement optimum picket spacing, length of tether line to the picket line, rest periods, chief medical conditions that worried cavalry officers and effective logistics reach from a horse depot is, cretin. CREF above my comments to Nichy about horse cavalry.

Do you? Nope.

Like I said, I'll teach you, bozo, if you want to learn.

Until then you are about as qualified as BW on any subject you address. ESPECIALLY barges.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Herald  




but you are the one who thinks that horses from the HYW and ACW charge at the same speed......    that like saying a ford escort goes at the same speed as lotus or that a speedboat goes at the same spped as a tug or that a musket is as fast firing as a bolt action or ad infini......

 

and what was this in reference to????? "REREAD where I told you exactly what the English wore before I posted that picture, buffoon."

you keep saying that you have addressed things or said it previously but as so vague as to woerk out out what considering your chameleon like ability to change mid thread.

I said a horse is a horse. Why? Because as far as I was concerned the time offset of ground covered while within indirect and direct archery mattered, not what  kind of horse covered it.

Otherwise why do the math to work out the MERS?

But you are so stupid you don't see this.

I work with numbers. I don't give a damn about your delusional nitpicks about types of horses. I even went so far as to set three ranges to test your stupid hypothesus to see if it made any difference. What interested me is could archery alone stop a cavalry charge at Crecy. The answer is NO. Spearmen and obstacles could and did-repeatedly.

Now I admitn that you are one of the most stupid and persistent morons it has been my displeasure to  debate, but I'd tghink you'd at least have enough sense to see that the heart of your silly argument was destroyed forty posts ago. you quibble nitpick and say I don't know a Clydesdale from a quarterhorse. Well guess what cretin. I do and  IT DOESN'T MATTER.

What matters are the numbers.

THE NUMBERS.  

Ger it, the numbers?

You fail by the numbers so you try this liberal arts malarkey as if this was some debating contest where you win on style.

Take your debating style into battle, clown, and see how long you last.

What works masthematicaly on  February 13, 2008 for me worked as well on August 26th 1346.

Edward did his math, and Philip didn't.

Who won, cretin?

Herald
 

 
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