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Subject: USA #1 in arms ownership! Makes you feel Proud!
RockyMTNClimber    8/28/2007 6:02:37 PM
The right of self defense is universal. UN should mandate all nations allow their citizens access to gun ownership! Check Six Rocky ht**tp://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-08-28T174254Z_01_L28348938_RTRUKOC_0_US-WORLD-FIREARMS.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2 By Laura MacInnis GENEVA (Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said. U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies. About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said. "There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said. India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people. Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals. On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38. Continued... France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people. "Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said. "Weapons ownership may be correlated with rising levels of wealth, and that means we need to think about future demand in parts of the world where economic growth is giving people larger disposable income," he told a Geneva news conference. The report, which relied on government data, surveys and media reports to estimate the size of world arsenals, estimated there were 650 million civilian firearms worldwide, and 225 million held by law enforcement and military forces. Five years ago, the Small Arms Survey had estimated there were a total of just 640 million firearms globally. "Civilian holdings of weapons worldwide are much larger than we previously believed," Krause said, attributing the increase largely to better research and more data on weapon distribution networks. Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.
 
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historynut       3/8/2008 1:44:27 PM
Something else to think about when you talk about gun ownership. In England the police can respond to most calls (90%) in 15 minutes or less (while the crime is still happening). In the US the respond time is 15 minutes or less for about 25% of the people. 1/2 hour to 45 minutes for another 25% of the people. And 1 to 3 hours for the other 50% of the people.
In England you call the police most of the time they can get there in time to do something. In most of the US the police can not get there in time and the bad guys know that.
If your in L.A. call the police, if your on a farm in Northern California the bad guys can do what they want and be gone before the police get there. In Northern California the nearest cop could be 50 to 100 miles away. Your on your own. 
 
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tigertony       3/8/2008 3:38:05 PM




No, it's not. It is still smarter than call for global gun ban.

Whilst you are certainly welcome to your opinion, I bet several billion others would not agree with you.



 



You obviously live in a country where gun violence is the norm and where almost everybody owns a gun. Fine, but don't think that other folk who live in countries without your level of violence should be more like yours just because you like it that way.



 




 




Dropbear, what exactly is our level of violence?  I mean, I really don't know, what is the murder/theft/violent crime rate in the US/Citizen compared to the rest of the world?   I think b4 I say any more I'd like to see those statistics...

Oops here it is, the US 24th...wow....and we report every crime basically...




































#1   Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people  

#2   South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people  

#3   Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people  

#4   Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people  

#5   Russia:
 
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Ehran       3/10/2008 12:30:46 PM
given the numbers paul posted about UK murder rates it's hard to get excited or to draw any real conclusions about the effect of the gun ban on the murder rate.  a 20% jump in the gun murder rate sounds like a problem but you have to consider that actually means your odds of being a gun victim went from utterly negligible to 1.2 times utterly negligible.  you are about as likely to be struck by lightning as you are to be killed with a gun in england to bring some perspective to things.
 
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historynut       3/11/2008 10:57:23 AM

given the numbers paul posted about UK murder rates it's hard to get excited or to draw any real conclusions about the effect of the gun ban on the murder rate.  a 20% jump in the gun murder rate sounds like a problem but you have to consider that actually means your odds of being a gun victim went from utterly negligible to 1.2 times utterly negligible.  you are about as likely to be struck by lightning as you are to be killed with a gun in england to bring some perspective to things.


You should also note that the UK only lists it as a murder if someone is convicted and goes to jail. Useing the same standard the US would have a lower murder rate then the UK. But in the US you don't need to convict someone first, if someone is killed by someone else it's murder even if no one ever goes to jail for it.
 
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Ehran       3/11/2008 12:20:22 PM
htp://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/countviolence07.pdf
 
 
doesn't say anything about convicting people before the murder is counted as a homicide historynut.
 
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historynut       3/12/2008 10:39:43 AM

htp://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/countviolence07.pdf

 

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doesn't say anything about convicting people before the murder is counted as a homicide historynut.


You may wish to chech the International Victimology website @ http://www.victimology.nl/index.php?option=com_jombib&task=showbib&id=1. In some places what is reported by victems is very close to what is reported by the government (Spain, Italy, US)  in other places what victems report and what governments (UK) report is different. Also all homicides (the killing of one human being by another) in the US are listed together then broken down. In the US if a cop (or a crime victem) kills a criminal (or even if a criminal falls down the stairs and kills himself) it is listed as a homicide while in some counties in Europe it is not listed as a homicide. Since most homicides in the US are criminals getting killed that makes a difference in the homicide rate. Useing the same standards of reporting leaves the UK with a higher homicide rate. Using the UK standards of reporting the US is a much safter place.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Numbers game........   3/13/2008 6:51:46 PM
Ehran, firearm crimes went up 160% starting with the abolition of handguns in the UK. Now that is cause and effect. Your Gov't was good enough to keep track.
 
More Guns = Less Crime.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
 
h***ttp://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/hosb0207.pdf
Table 2.01 Crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales in which firearms (including air weapons) were reported
Total offenses:
1995             13,434
1998             13,874
2003             24,094
2005            21,521
 
 
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