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Subject: Most militarily incorrect movie
Jeff_F_F    6/23/2007 10:09:06 AM
My vote is for Godzilla, with Apache attack helicopters firing cannon mounted on the sides of the fuselage and ending with an entire stadium blown up with what looked like a few Harpoons.
 
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the British Lion       6/27/2007 10:42:44 AM

I would vote for signs:

"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286106/"

Aliens that are hurt by water choose to invade a planet which surface is covered for 2/3 with water. Not to mention that the creatures they will be fighting consist for a large part of water. Not to mention that in some areas it rains. Not to mention that the aliens somehow managed interstellar travel, but cannot open simple doors.


Heh, nice to know we'd be safe then :) Unless of course the Aliens used our highly sophisticated umbrella technology against us...
 
B.L.
 
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the British Lion    hmm...   6/27/2007 10:50:44 AM

As H2O is technically a chemical compound, would it violate the Geneva Convention rules on chemical warfare if used as a lethal weapon against the aliens?

I realize they're not humans, and thus 'human rights' really wouldn't apply, but you just know a U.N. weaney would find a way to moan about it, claiming the use of Super Soakers and water bombs were "unethical and illegal."


B.L.

 

 
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00_Chem_AJB       6/27/2007 12:00:12 PM
If that's the case then mother Nature broke the convention for use of biological weapons in War of the Worlds.
 
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Ehran       6/27/2007 12:14:05 PM

This from the movie or book?



there was no movie in my universe never happened no sirree bob.
 
the movie aside from the title bears very little resemblance to the book and verhoeven really ought to be burned at the stake for desecrating one of the classics of SF.
 
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tenX    Over There   6/27/2007 8:46:06 PM
Yeah that barked.  They made the 3rd ID look like Vietnam-era reservists.
 
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Kuniralf    Airwolf?   7/3/2007 11:47:41 PM
Most of the time I'm just a reader here...
 
Does Airwolf qualify?
- Helicopter flying Mach 1+
- uses Mavericks and Hellfires to shoot down planes (not sure if you can shoot down slow moving helicopters with them)
- nuclear tipped Shrikes!
- armoured and doesn't even get scratches when hit
- always using radar, no one detects that
- retractable gun barrels
- maintenance is done as a part time job between kicking some bad guys a... and running a regular helicopter service
- maybe more things to add to the list, it's been a while...
 
...but I liked it!
 
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smitty237    Starship Troopers   7/4/2007 2:46:59 AM
The key to enjoying the movie Starship Troopers is to get the joke.  Starship Troopers is a futuristic war movie made in the tradition of 1950's and early 1960's war movies.  In those movies,  clean cut, handsome soldiers systematically mowed down evil (and apparently stupid) enemy soldiers by the droves.  Sure, the good guys sometimes died, but it was usually while doing something heroic, and they never died without inspirational last words.  Throw WWII GI or Marine uniforms on the Mobile Infantry, and substitute German or Japaness troops for the "bugs", and you've got your typical 1950's era WWII flick. 
 
I liked the book Starship Troopers, but it was a little on the cheesy side as well.  Heinlein wrote it in the tradition of the legion of WWII books that were written by historians and veterans in that time period (1959), but from the first person perspective of a war veteran that is living a few hundred years in the future.  Each chapter is prefaced with inspirational quotes from sources such as Kipling, Thomas Jefferson, Churchill, and even The Bible.  The reason the book is considered a sci-fi military classic is because of Heinlein's ability to fairly accurately visualize what future warfare might be like.  They probably could have made a more faithful movie version of Starship Troopers, but it would have required a lot more special effects, which might have made the movie prohibitively expensive, and it would have been harder to tell who's who, since in the book the MI wore large, armored suits. 
 
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BasinBictory       7/4/2007 4:19:16 AM
Yeah - we all know that ST the movie was made very tongue-in-cheek, in the same vein as Robocop and Total Recall (all of which were directed by Verhoeven), but it's just such a tragedy that they had to do it to such a classic of sci-fi!
 
Starship Troopers the novel was actually sold and marketed as a "juvenile" book, what would be classified as "young adult" reading today, and it certainly is that. However, Heinlein basically invented the whole concept of exoskeletal armored suits. He took an old idea (think medieval mounted knights) and infused it with technology (what if the head-to-toe armored suits weren't a burden on the soldier, but a tremendous advantage instead?) Much subsequent sci-fi, whether books, movies, or video games, owe an enormous debt to Heinlein's vision. "Armor" by John Steakley was basically a bald-faced rip-off of the Mobile Infantry concept. Likewise "The Forever War." The suits that the Marines wear in Starcraft are inspired by the MI as well.
 
And finally - yes I agree that most 1950's and 1960's American war movies were very transparently rah-rah to the point of cheesiness. I also found it amusing that many of the Japanese soldiers in these movies were Caucasians with prosthetic buck teeth and scotch tape on the sides of their temples to pull their eyes back. Now *that's* moviemaking!!!
 
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jastayme3       8/29/2007 11:32:42 PM
There was that time in Return of the King when the Orc-general got up with all the orc grunts and said "pikes in front, bows in back". Getting a formation in line is a non-coms job not a generals and if Sauron's hordes hadn't been properly drilled by that time, they never would be. And then the Riders of Rohan rode ride through the orc's formation-now really? What horses would do that. Horses never heard of the necessity of Saving Middle Earth From the Shadow and were not likly to skewer themselves. And this is a cultural not a military flaw. Denethor's bad table manners. He was the lord of the snootiest city in Middle Earth-he could at least eat a tomato without squishing it all over the table.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    66s, grenades & napalm   8/30/2007 6:45:23 PM
This thread has been open for a while and I've not read all posts so don't know if this one's been picked up.

In Rambo II or III John Rambo fires a 66 (SRAAW/LAW) from inside a helo at another helo. Somehow the other helo was destroyed. The most amazing thing was that despite the BBDA of a 66 the helo Johnny fired from kept its back half and the passengers sitting behind him kept their faces.

Hollywood needs a school thats teaches directors that the detonation of a hand grenade does not have the visual impact of a 1,000 pound napalm canister.

Cheers.

 
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