Gun Porn: United States Navy Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR)

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Subject: Gun Porn: United States Navy Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR)
HYPOCENTER 2/6/2007 7:30:29 PM

Gun porn, you know you like it. This week, it's the M-14. I'm so in love with this weapon I consider it to be a national treasure. Anyway, it's still in use by some services. And I know the SEALS still use it (It's been updated of course) which says quite allot. Without further ado, here are photos of the the most bad-ass looking assault rifle in the world, Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR: (see post below)

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Nichevo Ugly, ugly, ugly | I wonder why? 2/17/2008 6:06:14 PM

Ugly, ugly, ugly. Those riced up M14s hurt my eyes (I'm sure, I'm sure the mods make sense, just, ugh) and if you can't get 4 MOA at 100 yards without sleeping with it, how are you going to keep it on their vitals at 600m?

Besides...since we all know that unlike the 5.56 peashooter, the 7.62 hits like the Hammer of Thor and guarantees a one-shot stop if hit in the pinky...obviously high mag capacity and selective fire is pointless...

so why not bring back the Garand?

Eight rounds of what if anything would be MORE lethal than the 7.62x51 (7.62x63), including potential for heavier bullets = longer range. I presume the reliability would be greater than the M14's. Beautiful weapon. And can you say, buttstroke-and-bayonet?

Actually it had occurred to me that the Beretta BM-59, and derivatives, might be a better mechanical legacy of the M1 than the T44 (vice M14) became. Too bad they are so rare. I wonder if that path would be worth exploring?

Because apparently a new from scratch US designed firearm or core firearm mechanism is too much to ask.

I wonder why?

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Horsesoldier 2/17/2008 9:14:10 PM

Eight rounds of what if anything would be MORE lethal than the 7.62x51 (7.62x63), including potential for heavier bullets = longer range. I presume the reliability would be greater than the M14's. Beautiful weapon. And can you say, buttstroke-and-bayonet?

With tuning, you could run heavier bullets. A stock USGI Garand may have trouble (up to and including deadlining the weapon from a bent op rod, if I remember correctly) shooting heavier than 150 grain stuff replicating the M2 and other USGI loads. I think there are a couple aftermarket designs that allow varying the gas port's pressure level, though, to allow use of heavier rounds.

Because apparently a new from scratch US designed firearm or core firearm mechanism is too much to ask.

I wonder why?

Global economy -- as long as we allow international submissions for contracts, the basic odds don't favor American designs, unless American designs really stand out or move the state of the art forward.

Sadly, it does seem that there is not much standing out or moving the state of the art forward from the big American firearms manufacturers. Down at the smaller to downright tiny manufacturer level, though, we seem to be seeing a whole lot of interesting stuff coming down the pipeline, though -- Magpul Masada (now aka'ed as the Bushmaster ACR), Robinson XCR, Kel-Tec RFB bull pup, Knights Armament PDW, plus the assorted updates and upgrades to the AR-15 (LWRC gas piston, LMT MRP and gas piston, 6.8 Rem SPC and 6.5 Grendel, etc etc etc) and guys tweaking the FAL (DSA) and M14 (assorted) designs, etc.

If they were to open bidding for a new service rifle today, I think American designs would compete well. The problem I see pending is that our next rifle will probably be using caseless or CTA ammunition, and I suspect that will heavily favor large firms that have the resources to do major R&D on making things work with the new ammo.

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H2O MAN M14 EBRs 9/24/2008 11:06:32 PM

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The US Army selects the M14 EBR to meet the urgent need for "longer range" infantry rifles to be used in Afghanistan.

The extremely accurate, ultra reliable MK14 SEI Mod 0 continues to be built up for US NAVY SEALs, PJs and others.

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big79 10/4/2008 4:52:04 AM

i would like to say a few things about the m-14 and garand the m-14 basically is a garand with a removable clip and a shorter gas piston, and i find it hard to belive that a well maintaned not worn out m1a would have any trouble in the desert, we didn't have any major problems with them during ww2(ocunting the similar m1 garand) and korea as far as function in similar enviroments, my grandfather said he could drop his garand in the mud pick it up and fire all day, and he could shoot the head off a grouse with one sitting on the back of a m16 aa halftrack in france. my best guess is they aren't training well enough for the differences between the 5.56 and the 7.62 rounds the 308 has more drop considerably and creates more recoil.

as for the mini-14 my uncles shoots 3 inch groups at 100yrds.

i don't think that there are many 308 rifles much better than the m-14/m1a

the g3 has a very complex action and requires more diligent cleaning,

the fal is great action but is very lite for a powerful weapon and i personally find the clip annoying to use

ctme is a copy of the g3

as for the most acurate and common semi auto 308 rifle it is probaly a tie between the m-14 and the fal as there are factory acurized versions available on the market for both culled from retired military stock.

as for word of trouble with m-14 in iraq all i have heard is a desperate request for replacment stocks made of fiberglass and replacment parts, they are seing alot of action.

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H2O MAN 10/11/2008 11:40:02 AM

The modern Crazy Horse M14 rifles Smith Enterprise, Inc. builds for the US military deliver AK47 Reliability and
Sub MOA

7.62mm x 51 Accuracy.
These SEI rifles, SDM, SASS & M21 A5/A6 Counter IED rifles are ultra reliable, battle proven in desert conditions and require little maintenance.

You can type such claims all you want, but the reality is that it simply is not true. The M14 in the desert certainly has not provided "AK47 reliability," nor proven "ultra reliable." It has proven to be extremely maintenance intensive to even match M16/M4 accuracy, much less provide something improving on that.

The track record is pretty clear -- the preferred answer to whatever questions that the M14 answers is another weapon system, be it an SR-25, SPR, or what ever else. It's nice that a mediocre design got a little last bit of time in the sun, but it's a substandard weapon system we'll be well rid of when it's gone.

The Vietnam era M14s and modern MK14s and M14 EBRs are different. If you're not familiar with the modern weapons, ranting and raving
about them and insisting they're just as flawed as the ones tested over 40 years ago is not a very productive contribution to any discussion.

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H2O MAN 1/30/2009 12:03:39 PM

The M14 just keeps getting better, and it's

better in combat conditions than M110

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