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ZackG    11/23/2005 11:41:21 AM
I was at the recruiter's depot (i'm in DEP for marines) and an army guy started talking to me about his tour in OIF I... he said he carried an MP5... i didn't believe it. would it even be possible for a basic army grunt to get his hands on an mp5? muchless have access to amunition for the mp5??
 
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Yimmy    RE:MP5 and army...   11/23/2005 11:45:44 AM
What was his job?
 
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shek    RE:MP5 and army...   11/23/2005 12:08:39 PM
Unless he was SOF, then no, he's full of shiznit, unless he was talking about carrying a MP5 on his XBox or PS2.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:MP5 and army...   11/23/2005 12:32:00 PM
>>would it even be possible for a basic army grunt to get his hands on an mp5? muchless have access to amunition for the mp5??<< Fort Stewart's Military Police SRT had MP5s they trained with for reasons I've never quite understood (i.e. if SOF can do surgical CQB and hostage rescue with M4s, why can't MPs?), but I doubt they deployed with them when they went for OIF. I'd be inclined to take Shek's call on the likelihood of getting one's grunt hands on an MP5, as he's been there and done that and such. As for the ammunition -- MP5 shoots 9x19mm, which is ample and abundant in military supply channels. *If* a guy was issued an MP5, he would not have serious trouble getting ammunition for it.
 
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TriggaFingaz    Rare!   11/24/2005 3:13:37 PM
I have seen regular US Army troops using MP5s to clear a house on some news footage. But only once.
 
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ZackG    RE:Rare!   11/24/2005 8:25:31 PM
"What was his job?" -Yeah, i asked him what he does... and he said "i'm in the army." and i said i know... what do you do in the army... he said his MOS was something with tanks, but in iraq he was a grunt. "As for the ammunition -- MP5 shoots 9x19mm, which is ample and abundant in military supply channels. *If* a guy was issued an MP5, he would not have serious trouble getting ammunition for it." -Ah, i didn't know... i remember hearing somewhere MP5 ammo was hard to find and expensive...or something like that... "I have seen regular US Army troops using MP5s to clear a house on some news footage. But only once." -maybe he wasn't lieing then? he seemed like a smartass BSer to me though... anyway... doesn't really matter, just wanted to do a little investigating myself.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Rare!   11/24/2005 9:19:05 PM
I hear the Americans had issues with their armoured guys having to go on patrols with nothing but a 9mm pistol - in which case I can well believe their being issued MP5's, for their small size for fitting in tanks, and for ammo commontality with their pistols.
 
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shek    RE:Rare!   11/24/2005 11:52:41 PM
ZackG, My thoughts still stand - the guy was FOS. As far as a tanker being issued MP-5s, these aren't standard issue for the Army and therefore Rock Island probably wouldn't have been able to provide them any. Even if Rock Island did have some spare MP-5s, they wouldn't have issued those because M16s would have been sent. So, unless the unit commander cut some "drug deal" with a contracted security force to borrow MP-5s until M16s came down the pipe for his armor guys, the only possibility is that the guy was FOS.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Rare!   11/25/2005 10:43:21 AM
>>My thoughts still stand - the guy was FOS. As far as a tanker being issued MP-5s, these aren't standard issue for the Army and therefore Rock Island probably wouldn't have been able to provide them any. Even if Rock Island did have some spare MP-5s, they wouldn't have issued those because M16s would have been sent. So, unless the unit commander cut some "drug deal" with a contracted security force to borrow MP-5s until M16s came down the pipe for his armor guys, the only possibility is that the guy was FOS. << The other possibility that comes to mind, thinking about it, was if the guy was there with 3rd ID during the invasion and immediately afterwards, and if he was a tanker, the MP-5 might have been something acquired locally, like the AKs that tank crews were patrolling with. I've never heard of anything like that, but Saddam's elite did like their cool guy guns (I've heard claims that Uday and Qusay were packing FN P90s when they met their ends), so someone might have found one or more MP-5s in the country sitting around. But even that seems like a longshot, especially when there are a trillion AKs laying around in the country is guys need some kind of long gun to augment their handguns.
 
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theBird    RE:Rare!   11/29/2005 9:58:26 PM
One of my instructors had an mp5 in Iraq while he was attached to a marine battalion, though his gun was "aquired" from one of Saddam's weapon caches.
 
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S.C.P    RE:MP5 and army... British regulars.   12/27/2005 8:16:55 AM
In Iraq regular British Paras and Royal Marines Commandos were seen carrying the standard MP5's, this weapon is not one of their standard known weapons. The MP5 is however used by the Para's special forces unit the 'Pathfinders' and also the Royal Marines Comando's advance 'Brigade Patrol Unit' so it could have been those units in regular uniforms.
 
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