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Subject: Changing weapons of CQB
AstroDarkMatter    11/6/2004 1:40:50 AM
The MP5, one of the finest submechineguns in the world with more than 200 varients it rides like a Sports car with rifle like accuracy in less than 50 meters. But now with the constantly changing world of criminals that discovered the benifits of body armor. There need to be something new. Law enforcement are taking in thier M4 carbines even as entry weapons. But now people are realizes they are going to adapt and use Sub-carbine weapons such as the Sig 552, and the 10'' LMT M4. I know what your thinking... P90? not likey... with it's terrible ballistics in such a light round with high velocity it has about the energy of a .22Lr and is not recommened by the ballistics rewiew. The 5.56 mm on the otherhand has been getting great comments on CQb and is even better than the 9mm. Carbines and Sub-carbines are the CQB weapons of the future. Even navy seals are using 10''LMTs for aboardship CQB/MOUT as oppose to a Trusty MP5. Why I made this topic: Discuss the concept, and perhaps best weapons for CQB ( mine? Sig 552, but it costs like a bi*ch)
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lennard    RE:Changing weapons of CQB   11/6/2004 6:05:07 AM
The AUG of Steyr. A wide variety of barrels in 5,56 mm, low weight and with a limited overall length due to its bullpup design. But I am no expert. Like to hear from members of special units about the essentials.
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Yimmy    RE:Changing weapons of CQB   11/6/2004 8:20:56 AM
The AUG can only be fierd from the one shoulder, while in CQB it is important to be able to switch shoulders, or you risk exposing too much of your body when shooting round the 'wrong side' of cover. "I know what your thinking... P90? not likey... with it's terrible ballistics in such a light round with high velocity it has about the energy of a .22Lr and is not recommened by the ballistics rewiew." I don't agree with that at all, there are a lot of horror stories made about the round from those who dislike it on principle; really it shows far superior wound characteristics than 9mm, it has amazing penetration, yet yaws easily. On the one occasion it has been used by law enforcement in a live engagement that I know of, it took down a blagger no problem..
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Shooter    RE:Changing weapons of CQB   11/10/2004 1:26:38 AM
Nothing beats a 12 gage Master Blaster for CQB!( As defined in the privious posts.) It will do anything any rifle/SMG can do and a few tricks they can't, like shoot around corners without exposing any part of your body or gun! But the best part is that the sound of that bolt dropping scares the bad guys so much they give up and quit rather than get cut in half by a load of oo buck.
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SGT Stewart       9/11/2009 2:36:59 AM
With the AK and M16 and CQB, I would be worried about penitration.  Not all rooms are made of cement block, brick, steel or sand bags.  You don't know whats on the other side of the wall.  A 12 guage is great, but carries limited rounds and is slow to reload.  MP5's are also a favorite, but for me it is still a 9mm.  What about the old Thompson M1A1.
Caliber .45 ACP
Barrel Length: 10.50"
Muzzle Velocity 920 fps
Capacity 20 or 30 round magazines
Weight: 10.45 lbs
Length. 33.7"
Rate of Fire: 700 rounds per min.
Effective Range: 50-55 yards
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mabie       10/3/2009 12:25:56 PM
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mabie       10/3/2009 12:27:29 PM
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mabie       10/3/2009 12:30:02 PM

heck.. still can't post the link..

just go to military Channel website to see the video..

The KRISS Super V wins the Ultimate Weapons award for "Close Quarter Combat" on the Military Channel.  
Thank you, Mil Channel.

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YelliChink       10/19/2009 5:33:45 PM
Swords and daggers are so underrated as effective CQB weapons.
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