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Subject: Sniper rifle
oldbutnotwise    12/23/2003 10:30:06 AM
Best and why? personal choice the accuracy International as its the first to besigned as a sniper rifle rather than a modification of an existing rifle
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:Sniper rifle   1/3/2004 1:36:26 PM
I have seen that the M99 Barrett was considered as one of the best sniper rifle by many special force because of his piercing abilities.
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:Sniper rifle   1/3/2004 1:37:08 PM
Anybody know what sniper rifle do the french build, i dont arrive to found it.. Thx
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Sniper rifle   1/3/2004 1:47:24 PM
I dont remember the model designation off hand, but last I saw the French used a rebuilt/improved MAS-36 as their sniper rifle.
 
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JROTCKid    RE:Sniper rifle   1/3/2004 11:37:49 PM
Fr 1 is the French Semi Automatic Gas Operated blowback system I believe . My neighbor showed me the cases and they are 300 Grain but they are necked differntly and hesfrom Georgia so go figure .He may be talking big stuff but the case is larger than normal .
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:Sniper rifle   1/4/2004 4:04:34 AM
Thx for the answers.
 
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Try2BUnbiased    RE:Sniper rifle   1/4/2004 1:45:52 PM
what about he M25 White Feather? and i always liked the Druganov .
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Sniper rifle   1/4/2004 2:56:08 PM
I guess im a bit biased against semi-autos as platforms when accuracy is the main requirment. Gas assemblies and other misc parts touching or attached to the barrel effect the harmonics. In my opinion, a free floated heavy barrel attached to a sufficiently stiff bolt action should be the starting point in building any rifle for long range accuracy. Thats the reason I'm not a huge fan of the PSG-1, M-21, or the Dragunav. I dont really think theyre in the same class either really. The Dragunov was employed as sort of a sharpshooter rifle in rifle squads from what I understand, not neccasarily a dedicated sniper type rifle. I believe the thought behind the Dragunov was to extend the reach of the individual squads to make up for the shortcomings of the AK's lack of range. A role it probably performed very well. The PSG-1 was originally intended as a law enforcement sharpshooters rifle as requested by GSG-9 ( I think )after the Munich events. I think thats why it wieghs so much, it isnt intended to be carried as much as a military type sniper weapon. I am unaware of anyone that uses the M-25. I think its just sort of a marketing idea from Springfield armory isnt it? Compared to the M-21 it is bound to be pretty similar though. And the M-21s were phased out in favor of the M-24 for greater accuracy and dependability in the field.
 
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ChdNorm    French Rifles   1/4/2004 3:07:06 PM
"Fr 1 is the French Semi Automatic Gas Operated blowback system I believe" When you said FR-1 it rang a bell. I'm pretty sure thats the improved MAS-36 model I was reffering to. Its a bolt action though, not a semi auto. I think the FR-1 was an old model that got replaced awhile back. It seems like I remember it used an older round, I think it was the 7.5mm Lebel. They replaced it with a similar rifle still based on the MAS-36 in 7.62NATO that had some kind of funky barrel sleeve on it to help with cooling to replace it. I want to say its called the FR-2? I'm working from memory here, so I my just be pulling that name out of my ass. Either way, I wasnt aware the Frnech were fielding a semi-auto.
 
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oldbutnotwise    RE:French Rifles   1/5/2004 9:00:26 AM
from what iv read and seen most of the world best snipers use manual bolts I believe that it is to do with the ejected case giving away location, whilst a manual bolt the ejection can be controled
 
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Sam    RE:Auto vs bolt action   1/5/2004 9:42:21 PM
Bolt actions are inherently more accurate. Allows full use of gas, tighter seat in the chamber, ect...The only thing that comes close is the delay roller block action that HK uses. My favorite is the M-40. A remington 700, hand built at quantico with a 24 inch target barrel(same as chdnorms 700 PSS), mcmillian stock thats been epoxy bedded. Has a winchester 70 floorplate and trigger guard. Funny that the Marine Corps were using Winchester 70s in 30-06 prior to adopting the M-40. The reason was to "take advantage" of the new NATO standard .308/7.62. Were talking about going to 7mm Mag a few years ago. Not sure if that will go anywhere or not. Need to get rid of the crappy scope. Buy the Leupold and call this thing a M-24. The whats best has more to do with the shooter than the weapon. As Chd pointed out a 700 PSS can shoot .5 MOA. At 1000 yds (915m) we are talking about 5 inch(approx)groups. No person can shoot that good. Unless its bolted to a bench rest, it will be more capable than the shooter. So now the argument must come down to price. A M-40A2 cost about $2100.00 US, weights 14.5 lbs (6 kilos) comes with a 10x scope. a PSG 1 sells for $10,000.00 weights 8 kilos, has a 6X scope. The SR-25 is nothing but a M-16 on steroids. Not a real precision rifle but good enough for 600 meter work. I would bet equiv to the M-21/M-14. Same for the Dragunov. All seem more of the squad/team marksman vice dedicated sniper rifle. Now the russian SV-99, 22LR silenced short range sniper rifle. Can get 100 meter 1 MOA 10 shot groups. Has to get mentioned just for that.
 
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