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Subject: DPRK launches its rocket.
Herald12345    4/4/2009 11:39:44 PM
No further firm data. Herald
 
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EvilFishy       4/5/2009 2:24:31 PM






Herald, do you think this was a DPRK show to Iran that the technology they are selling / have sold to Iran can hit Israel?








What I know was that there was an Iranian delegation in that country that entered at least two weeks prior to the shot, and that some of those Iranians were engineers-specifically rocketeers.

 





Draw your own conclusions.







Herald



I am sure that is purely coincidence. I wait, I do not believe in coincidence.

Now is not the time to have an amateur at the helm.
 
 
 
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DarthAmerica       4/5/2009 2:51:31 PM

it overflew japan..

And neither the U.S. or Japan did a thing about it. 


The message this sends may very well get people killed.   


Not likely. At least not as much as an escalation. The Norks are conducting the usual crisis diplomacy. Based on what we know about the launch and effects thereof. Shooting down the missile was probably not the best course of action considering all the other things the US and Japan are dealing with right now. An escalation is one of the Norks objectives so by down playing it, we can mission kill the launch. 

-DA 
 
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EvilFishy       4/5/2009 3:02:20 PM
---DA---Not likely.---

Wow. That is pretty definitive. Glad you cleared that up! /s

---DA---At least not as much as an escalation.--

So long as people die but the situation on the Korean Peninsula does not escalate, that is ok right?

My comment was specifically directed towards the Middle East although there very well may be blood shed in Asia.

---DA---The Norks are conducting the usual crisis diplomacy.---

Looks like a sales demonstration to me.

---DA--- Based on what we know about the launch and effects thereof. Shooting down the missile was probably not the best course of action considering all the other things the US and Japan are dealing with right now. An escalation is one of the Norks objectives so by down playing it, we can mission kill the launch.---

We told them not to do it.

They did it.

We now do NOTHING of substance.

If you cannot see how this course of action is dangerous then I suggest you reference your history. This course of action has led to some of the greatest bouts of blood shed the world has ever known.

 


 

 
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DarthAmerica       4/5/2009 3:13:20 PM

---DA---Not likely.---

Wow. That is pretty definitive. Glad you cleared that up! /s

Unnecessary sarcasm to hide ignorance.

---DA---At least not as much as an escalation.--

So long as people die but the situation on the Korean Peninsula does not escalate, that is ok right?

My comment was specifically directed towards the Middle East although there very well may be blood shed in Asia.

Equally unnecessary sarcasm as above.

---DA---The Norks are conducting the usual crisis diplomacy.---

Looks like a sales demonstration to me.

Yes, I mentioned crisis diplomacy as "one" of the objectives for a reason. See below.

 

---DA--- Based on what we know about the launch and effects thereof. Shooting down the missile was probably not the best course of action considering all the other things the US and Japan are dealing with right now. An escalation is one of the Norks objectives so by down playing it, we can mission kill the launch.---


We told them not to do it.

They did it.

OK, thats well established fact now.;
And not unprecedented either. The same thing happened a few years ago.

 

We now do NOTHING of substance.

Speak for yoursel
If you cannot see how this course of action is dangerous then I suggest you reference your history. This course of action has led to some of the greatest bouts of blood shed the world has ever known.
Either course could be dangerous. No need to reference history unless we are talking about recent history where this process happened before. The US and Japanese are probably making the best choice given the situation now.

-DA 



 




 
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EvilFishy       4/5/2009 3:40:18 PM

---DA---Unnecessary sarcasm to hide ignorance.---

There is a word to describe what you are doing Darth: dissembling.

---DA---Equally unnecessary sarcasm as above.---

See above.

---DA---Yes, I mentioned crisis diplomacy as "one" of the objectives for a reason. See below.---

Yeah and you missed the money shot in the process. How quaint.

Lil Kim may very well have a personality disorder and needs attention but he loves money and I am willing to wager this test was more about MONEY than sticking his phallus in Obama-s eye.

---DA---OK, thats well established fact now.; ---

Yes, we have more than four decades of established fact that we tell them NO and they say SCREW YOU and do it anyway. To which we reply with an underwhelming shoulder shrug.

---DA---And not unprecedented either.---

I know; this is why I said: This course of action has led to some of the greatest bouts of blood shed the world has ever known.

The realization that this event is merely history repeating itself was not lost on me as I explicitly spoke to this fact.

---DA---The same thing happened a few years ago.---

About the same time our government helped them acquire a nuclear weapon with yet more foolish notions?

---DA---Speak for yourself ----

I do not have to; Obama speaks for me and so far he does not say anything of any real substance on this matter.

---DA---Either course could be dangerous. ---

That is one way to put it.

---DA---No need to reference history unless we are talking about recent history where this process happened before.---

Yup; no need to remember, reference, or recognize the history of human nature, which has not changed very much (if at all) these last few thousand years. *rolls eyes*

Have you not heard that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it?

---DA---The US and Japanese are probably making the best choice given the situation now.---

PROBABLY is the choice word eh? Great way to CYA while Iran gets that much closer to forcing our hand at business we would much rather avoid.

 
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Herald12345    Evil Fishy reply.   4/5/2009 3:45:54 PM
There wasn't much we could do without giving up some of the crown jewels of our own capability to the PRC bandits. it was an event staged for two purposes.

1. First, and this is conjecture based on Iranian involvement, it was a sales pitch.
 
2. The PRC bandits had everything that could detect heat or radio that they own in that region of the world pointed out to sea to see if they could catch us in the act of blasting an IRBM out of the sky. That was not an accident, since they probably tried to surreptitiously support the DPRKs in previous rocket tests with EW assistance and they hadn an interest in seeing that this shot was a "success".
 
3. When we blast an IRBM out of the sky, its in range conditions that we control. That is so our enemies don't see HOW we do it. Knowing how we kill enemy rockets gives an enemy a clue how to defend against us.
 
4. That and we have a fool for a POTUS who wouldn't try for a mid-phase or descent phase kill by parking a destroyer where the PRCs or anyone else couldn't see us conduct target practice in the SE Pacific.

Herald
 
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EvilFishy       4/5/2009 4:00:18 PM

Herald, that explanation makes perfect sense. Thank you for that.

 
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warpig       4/5/2009 6:08:07 PM
No intercept was possible after ascent phase--other than shooting at booster stages coming down.  This shot went to orbit with a stupid little satellite that even now is squeaking out pro-'lil Kim songs.
 
 
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Herald12345    ?????????????????????????????   4/5/2009 6:18:24 PM

No intercept was possible after ascent phase--other than shooting at booster stages coming down.  This shot went to orbit with a stupid little satellite that even now is squeaking out pro-'lil Kim songs.

 


The only claims I know for that are China's Xinhiang, the DPRKs, themselves; and the Russians whose own space tracking system is currently suspect and probably a little "political".
 
What reputable WESTERN source confirms that there is a piece of DPRK junk up there? I won't comment about US midphase and descent phase kill ability except to say that we have at least one positive public proof that we have it for ICBM class RVs.
 
Herald
 
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Herald12345    Crap.   4/5/2009 6:34:08 PM
Xinhua. instead of Xinhiang. My mistake.
 
Herald
 
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