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Subject: Space Fighter
Sucari    5/20/2007 1:37:54 PM
Now, from my limited knoladge on fighter jets from what i hear they can get near the edge of space. So would it be possilbe to mkae a figher jet capable or earth and space fighting ? Would probaly have RAM or SCRAM jet engines allwoing it to take advantage of the less air at high hights. At a certain height it could either use it's own oxygen broat on board, or use a rocket engine to make it into space. In space it could use small thrusters to manuver using it's main engine when it has too. Complete it's mission then re-enter the atmosphere. I do belive this would be possible with today's current technology. Would be to worth while ? I think it would be extremly useful for taking out satelites. For example id a nation just had one of these it could take out a large portion of satelties quickly.
 
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Yimmy       5/20/2007 2:16:52 PM
Well, "Space Planes" are being experimented with.  I believe at the moment there is a competition going for creating a re-usable, inexpensive space vehicle.  I don't know if these take off as planes or if they use rockets though.... if you google "Virgin Space Plane" you will likely find some info.

I don't think any jet aircraft can operate over ~70,000 feet. 

At what altitude does the atmosphere end, and space begin, in any case?


 
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Herald1234       5/20/2007 2:48:31 PM

Well, "Space Planes" are being experimented with.  I believe at the moment there is a competition going for creating a re-usable, inexpensive space vehicle.  I don't know if these take off as planes or if they use rockets though.... if you google "Virgin Space Plane" you will likely find some info.

I don't think any jet aircraft can operate over ~70,000 feet. 

At what altitude does the atmosphere end, and space begin, in any case?



Air breathing engines can operate to about 30,000 kilometers. Jet aircraft can thus do the same with great difficulty.
Herald
 
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Herald1234    OOPS!   5/20/2007 2:50:08 PM



Well, "Space Planes" are being experimented with.  I believe at the moment there is a competition going for creating a re-usable, inexpensive space vehicle.  I don't know if these take off as planes or if they use rockets though.... if you google "Virgin Space Plane" you will likely find some info.

I don't think any jet aircraft can operate over ~70,000 feet. 

At what altitude does the atmosphere end, and space begin, in any case?




Air breathing engines can operate to about 30,000 kilometers. Jet aircraft can thus do the same with great difficulty.

Herald



!@#$%^&*()
 
That should read METERS, not kilometers.
 
Herald
 
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Yimmy       5/20/2007 3:27:15 PM
Yeah, I was going to ask if I could have some of what you were smoking....

A had a look at Virgins SpaceShipOne, and the competition it went 112 km's up.  So obviously jet engines can't get close on their own.


 
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Sucari       5/20/2007 4:42:46 PM
SCRAM jet engines, as i was suggesting to be used area relatively new technolgicly, based on RAM jet engies. These are very good at packing oxygen into the engine when it cannot get in with normaljet engines (I.E. extremly high speeds or altitudes). So this would improve the maximum height ceiling before the space plane owuld need to fire its rocket engine, or use onboard oxygen in combination with it's fuel source.
 
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Jeff_F_F    Space Bomber   6/8/2007 5:04:30 PM
They call the concept of a military space plane a Space Fighter because it sounds cool. But it is really more of a space bomber. Just as an airplane flies over the relatively slow moving vehicles operating on or in on the media below it (earth or water) and bombs them, the space bomber operates above aircraft operating in the medium of the atmosphere and bombs them, presumably with variants on current AAMs. Because the fall from space would give these missiles tremendous energy, they would be devastatingly effective compared to conventional AAMs, much as bombs tend to be disproportionately effective against land and sea craft. In order to attack the space bomber aircraft and ground targets would have to be equipped with specialized missiles similar to current ASAT weapons.
 
If another nation deployed spacecraft designed to fight the space bomber on equal terms, THAT would be a space fighter.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       6/8/2007 6:48:02 PM
A space fighter need not be a space bomber,  a space fighter could function as a manned satellite killer.  Completely autonomous, intelligent and unjammable from the ground.
 
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Surefire       8/2/2007 6:03:32 AM
You say that you dow`t that any aircraft can fly over 30`000ft?
 
What about the SR-71 and the MiG-25? Which can take off and climb to an altitude of 35,000 meters (114,000 ft) in a little over four minutes?? This aircraft was designed to intercept the SR-71.
 
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