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Subject: Chinese Test ASAT Weapon
Softwar    1/18/2007 1:11:43 PM
"http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_space_story.jsp?id=news/CHI01177.xml" Chinese Test Anti-Satellite Weapon By Craig Covault, Aviation Week & Space Technology, Cape Canaveral Wednesday, January 17, 2007 U. S. intelligence agencies believe China performed a successful anti-satellite (asat) weapons test at more than 500 mi. altitude Jan. 11 destroying an aging Chinese weather satellite target with a kinetic kill vehicle launched on board a ballistic missile. The Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, NASA and other government organizations have a full court press underway to obtain data on the alleged test, Aviation Week & Space Technology will report in its Jan. 22 issue. If the test is verified it will signify a major new Chinese military capability. Details emerging from space sources indicate that the Chinese Feng Yun 1C (FY-1C) polar orbit weather satellite launched in 1999 was attacked by an asat system launched from or near the Xichang Space Center. Details emerging from space sources indicate that the Chinese Feng Yun 1C (FY-1C) polar orbit weather satellite launched in 1999 was attacked by an asat system launched from or near the Xichang Space Center.
 
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Softwar       1/20/2007 8:35:17 PM

You really think America would nuke China over a sat?

 

If I were China, in the test I would have destroyed an America recce sat and then claimed it was due to out-dated maps, akin to your destroying their embassy.

 


Would that explain why - during a war - the bombs fell on the embassy communications intercept center and computer room?  Percision accuracy mistake or warning to someone passing info?
 
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Herald1234    The only thing that makes sense to me under this hypothesis......   1/20/2007 8:56:51 PM



  
I just wonder how they expect to use such an obvious negative event to Chinese political advantage. Its kind of heavy handed inept and clumsy even for those tyros.

One thing is certain. If I was a Chinese general scamming the customers by launching commercial satellites and taking kickbacks and bribes in so doing, I would be more than a little angered at my Chinese Space warfare division cousins for frightening off business.


Herald


It has been suggest to me via a reliable source that the Chinese may have been frightened by something or some capability in the 500 nm orbit path - thus by disrupting things with this little demonstration - scattering debris all over the place - they have in effect taken that orbital loop out of the equation for every nation.


 

Clearly, this was a stupid thing to do but we are not in PLA HQ sweating out what others are doing.


............is either a certain type of radar mapping satellite or a successful orbiting energy weapon of which I am unaware. Either one would be huge and vulnerable in configuration to micrometeor-impact. A debris field would be exactly what I would deploy to prevent placement. But it should be a larger event than this mickey mouse exercise to pollute the orbit.

Herald

 
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DarthAmerica       1/20/2007 9:13:41 PM



I just wonder how they expect to use such an obvious negative event to Chinese political advantage. Its kind of heavy handed inept and clumsy even for those tyros.
One thing is certain. If I was a Chinese general scamming the customers by launching commercial satellites and taking kickbacks and bribes in so doing, I would be more than a little angered at my Chinese Space warfare division cousins for frightening off business.


Herald




It has been suggest to me via a reliable source that the Chinese may have been frightened by something or some capability in the 500 nm orbit path - thus by disrupting things with this little demonstration - scattering debris all over the place - they have in effect taken that orbital loop out of the equation for every nation.




 



Clearly, this was a stupid thing to do but we are not in PLA HQ sweating out what others are doing.




............is either a certain type of radar mapping satellite or a successful orbiting energy weapon of which I am unaware. Either one would be huge and vulnerable in configuration to micrometeor-impact. A debris field would be exactly what I would deploy to prevent placement. But it should be a larger event than this mickey mouse exercise to pollute the orbit.

Herald


Herald,

There was July 5th through 14th. Admitted speculation but the medals...;)


DA



 
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DarthAmerica       1/20/2007 9:15:13 PM
A message perhaps. But we will know if we see more "test".


DA

 
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Herald1234    A little late for the PRCs to provide topcover isn't it?   1/20/2007 9:43:20 PM
But it is plausible. Trouble is we can put birds into orbits at an inclination and altitude that the Chinese would find extremely difficult to pollute from their current launch site lattitudes. That blasted orbital mechanics again.

I would also wonder why the PRCs would give such late topcover. Additionally we can afford to put up more birds in dodge orbits than they can put up ASATs. CF the Minotaur launch thread and the useful payload burdens demonstrated. This would be an interesting game of orbital billiards.

Also please note that the Chinese ASAT probably needed telemetry support to guide it in its merge. Question here is are they prepared to wage GTO EW? My guess is NO.

I KNOW we can.

Herald

 
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DarthAmerica       1/20/2007 10:04:25 PM

But it is plausible. Trouble is we can put birds into orbits at an inclination and altitude that the Chinese would find extremely difficult to pollute from their current launch site lattitudes. That blasted orbital mechanics again.

I would also wonder why the PRCs would give such late topcover. Additionally we can afford to put up more birds in dodge orbits than they can put up ASATs. CF the Minotaur launch thread and the useful payload burdens demonstrated. This would be an interesting game of orbital billiards.

Also please note that the Chinese ASAT probably needed telemetry support to guide it in its merge. Question here is are they prepared to wage GTO EW? My guess is NO.

I KNOW we can.

Herald


More reason for us to have a dedicated U.S. Space Force.


DA

 
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Softwar    And Janes Said...   1/21/2007 10:02:22 AM
The test of an ASAT by Beijing is a concern to Washington's dominance of space and its future ability to utilise satellites at will for military usage. Nonetheless, Beijing's test does not demonstrate a 'weaponisation' of outer space that would breach the 1967 Outer Space Treaty to which both the US and China are party.
 
 
 
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mithradates       1/21/2007 11:19:15 AM
So far the only nations that are lodging protests are:  The U.S, UK, Canada, Australia, and Japan.

This by no means represent the international community in any sense.  You have here protesting, America and her cousin nations.  And Japan the single most hated country in Asia.  I'm thinking that we're doing the world a favor by making you guys sweat a bit.

 
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Herald1234    Baloney.   1/21/2007 11:52:38 AM

The test of an ASAT by Beijing is a concern to Washington's dominance of space and its future ability to utilise satellites at will for military usage. Nonetheless, Beijing's test does not demonstrate a 'weaponisation' of outer space that would breach the 1967 Outer Space Treaty to which both the US and China are party.

 


 


Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies


Bureau of Verification, Compliance, and Implementation

Signed at Washington, London, Moscow, January 27, 1967
Entered into force
October 10, 1967

[Go to: Treaty Text, Signatory List]

Narrative

The Outer Space Treaty, as it is known, was the second of the so-called "nonarmament" treaties; its concepts and some of its provisions were modeled on its predecessor, the Antarctic Treaty. Like that Treaty it sought to prevent "a new form of colonial competition" and the possible damage that self-seeking exploitation might cause.

In early 1957, even before the launching of Sputnik in October, developments in rocketry led the United States to propose international verification of the testing of space objects. The development of an inspection system for outer space was part of a Western proposal for partial disarmament put forward in August 1957. The Soviet Union, however, which was in the midst of testing its first ICBM and was about to orbit its first Earth satellite, did not accept these proposals.

Between 1959 and 1962 the Western powers made a series of proposals to bar the use of outer space for military purposes. Their successive plans for general and complete disarmament included provisions to ban the orbiting and stationing in outer space of weapons of mass destruction. Addressing the General Assembly on September 22, 1960, President Eisenhower proposed that the principles of the Antarctic Treaty be applied to outer space and celestial bodies.

Soviet plans for general and complete disarmament between 1960 and 1962 included provisions for ensuring the peaceful use of outer space. The Soviet Union, however, would not separate outer space from other disarmament issues, nor would it agree to restrict outer space to peacef

 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       1/21/2007 2:17:42 PM
Well, myth, those western countries are your biggest sources of FDI, technology and skills training, as well as the consumers that literally prop up your entire economy.  Let the tariffs come forth!
 
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