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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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heraldabc       3/10/2011 10:28:23 PM

guidance? no... guidance was implemented by Von Braun. because it was DONE by him! ok? when something is solved on paper it does NOT count.. but when someone MAKES something in life thats what you can say SOLVED! ok?


 

same applies to USSR, it MADE IT FIRST... so your attempt to flood my last statement with your fancy quotations failed.... many people wanted to solve that problem and go into space, but question is not who worked on it, question is WHO MADE IT! there are many things in science which still exist on paper but cant be implemented in practice. So, in practice USSR made it first... im not sure how else can i explain it? isnt this logic clear to you?....


 

and the point of all that is to show, that USSR/Russia also can do neat things, and not only you - westerns who know how to design something..

 

also note... that im not critisizing heavily your nation or say somoething terribly bad, its you who say that about Russia, but me, in a logical straight way just proves you that things are not the way you think....


 

and well...im sure the whole world knows the capabilities of Russian science and engineering, and of course they they were first one to enter free space and were first space pioneers.


 

that explains all.



 
Note the statement and the DATES. 
 
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heraldabc    Santa.    3/10/2011 10:48:11 PM
Want to know what is ironic about Colmule's lies and how these relate to Russian tanks?
 
 
In that case it was more direct T-3 Chrisite tank to BT to T-34.

Bet you, they don't tech Caterpillar and J. Walter Christie in Russian history text books, do they?
 

Such was the vaunted KV and T-34. 
 
The T-90? Well.....
 
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ColdStart    ok   3/11/2011 1:25:54 AM
i know about Christie, and the BT.
 
Initially we adapted the suspension system designed by Christie, then rest everything was modernized. And the one main innovation in 30s of T34 was its armor built with an angle, what increased the effective thickness of it. It might sound now not as sophisticated, but it was, at that time. And eventually, its well known that T34 was the best tank at that time, if comparing all the main parameters at once.
 
yes we have been taught about Christie (and about B29 too), if thats your question. We are not like you, the ones who even after copying something (Von Braun,...missiles.. remember?) never admit that, we are fair in comparison and honest opinion about things. Von Braun made your moon flight, and of course you consider it as its only your success. We Soviet/Russian people are simple and honest, we dont have internal ego and are not ignorant.
 
So, as i see you tried to prove me that USA was even a pioneer in space and you failed in it.
 
Now you are trying to jump in something else, find just anything else...no matter what but anything else to prove me that you are so advanced and we are so slow and non capable... eventually you fail of course.
 
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ColdStart    ok   3/11/2011 1:32:09 AM
and again About Goddard, the word developed and built are really different, again Goddards work is mostly theoretical, it doesnt mean i say he was not good at it or not etc. Im sure he also was one of the greatest scientists, but... Von Braun built the V2 which really worked the way the German military wanted at that time... he not just published another work on gyro control, or built a half-realised version of it in primitive rocket, he built complete extremely sophisticated missile for that time.
 
and also, that does not change the fact about Soviets reaching the space first.
 
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heraldabc       3/11/2011 1:37:46 AM
Apparently you cannot read at all, Coldmule.... In black and white I demonstrated that your claims for tanks and rockets were false, your statements are outright lies and that makes you what again?

ignore set on.,
 
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heraldabc       3/11/2011 7:38:55 AM
The truth hurts, doesn't it? It was also rather well done, wasn't it, prevaricator?
 
Ignore set on.
 
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Buzz       3/11/2011 9:23:57 PM

dismantle? while US still would have it? thats never gona happen. noone would dismantle it.

 

and, there were more than enough reasons for US during cold war to use it against USSR. but one needs enough balls for such war. 

 

now... if you started giving me references to specific murders associated with USSR, which is true... then...to be honest there are also same murders done by your army.... or its false? how many civil ppl of other countries US army killed during other wars...


 

so... both countries did that, thats it... but what you did with Japan is much worse than anything happened before to people due to war. but you might never understand that.

 

and, realistic is when you count realistic factors when compare something, when you think that all your loaders will perform as fast as few seconds in any condition, thats not something realistic. reality and your imagination are two different things. and this has already been proved to US military, especially in Vietnam.

 

Cold, Even as a child I knew there would never be a nuke war because if it did happened everyone would die and who gives a shit who one - we'd all be dead. The Commies in the USSR used us as a boogie man to stay power. All despots need an enemy to stay in power. The soviet military industrial complex kept millions artificially employed for decades. The russian military elected to go to small tanks with autoloads probably as much for technology propoganda as much as for being able to build and man more tanks with the same resources. 
 
As far as our using atom bombs on Japan I have to remind you that although you probably failed math the millions that would have died had the US invaded japan proper is a much higher number than the tens of thousands killed by the bombs.  BTW did they teach you that japan surrendered because the USSR declared war on them? Wow japan surrendered just days after the declaration of war.
 
Tell me about how many millions of soviet citizens Stalin had murdered? Didnt he murder 30,000,000 Ukrainians?
 
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Buzz       3/11/2011 9:28:37 PM

you piece of shit gay fatass kid. im sure you'd never ever talk in such a high ass tone to anyone in real life. Just worth nothing but bragging here, cheap whore. shut up and dont comment my replies.bitch.

 

 


Cold your not gay are you? Seriously it sounds like you coming on to me.
 
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Buzz       3/11/2011 9:38:36 PM

above two comments are of typical dumb idiots.

 

for your information, USSR was pioneer of space, and the designer was Russian KOROLEV. but for you - USA - this work was done by Von Braun. gonna say anything against it?


 

Korolev also based his technology on Von Braun's developments, but even tho in USA an original(German) designer was doing it, still the first to succeed was USSR with Korolev.


 

so you two complaining a$$holes shut your mouth. cunts.


Come on Cold. Talking dirty like that may turn on guys in russia but I dont go that way.

 
Von Braun wasnt the only one working on rockets at the time but he was the most advanced and had full govt backing to develope his rocket. But I do recall he packed everything up and ran towards the americans and not the soviets. Wonder why.  Both of our countries used his research however the soviets gave the full support of the state to develop rockets that could reach space. It was done for propaganda to show how scientifically advanced the USSR was over the west. It didnt take long for the US to surpass the soviets space efferts once the country got behind the issue.
 
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Buzz       3/11/2011 9:46:24 PM

guidance? no... guidance was implemented by Von Braun. because it was DONE by him! ok? when something is solved on paper it does NOT count.. but when someone MAKES something in life thats what you can say SOLVED! ok?


 

same applies to USSR, it MADE IT FIRST... so your attempt to flood my last statement with your fancy quotations failed.... many people wanted to solve that problem and go into space, but question is not who worked on it, question is WHO MADE IT! there are many things in science which still exist on paper but cant be implemented in practice. So, in practice USSR made it first... im not sure how else can i explain it? isnt this logic clear to you?....


 

and the point of all that is to show, that USSR/Russia also can do neat things, and not only you - westerns who know how to design something..

 

also note... that im not critisizing heavily your nation or say somoething terribly bad, its you who say that about Russia, but me, in a logical straight way just proves you that things are not the way you think....


 

and well...im sure the whole world knows the capabilities of Russian science and engineering, and of course they they were first one to enter free space and were first space pioneers.


 

that explains all.



Spoken like a good true soviet citizen. You remind me of the people in orwells 1984.
 
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