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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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GeorgeSPatton    Santa   4/12/2011 8:33:57 PM
Generally speaking, professional soldiers use the M16. Conscripts and cannon fodder (Russian infantry) use the AK.

Exactly my point.
 
Oh, last thing about maintenance with the M16. 6 years in the Army and the M16 has only jammed on me once and I have drug it through hell. The one time it did jam was because I had a quarter sized rock stuck in the firing chamber. Most of the malfunctions are caused either by people loading 30 rounds into the mags or the soft ends on the mags causing double feeds. But that's not the fault of the weapon.
 
Ya, I was mainly referring to the original weapon as far as maintenance goes.  Even then I think it was more of an issue with the Army changing the kind of powder (I think thats what it was, I know they changed something) and telling soldiers it didn't need to be cleaned which caused it to jam so much.  I know the new M-4s and M-16s are pretty tough.  Still, you can do just about anything to an AK and it won't fire as well, but it will still fire.
Incidentally, have you gotten a chance to handle the new HK-416?  I've heard that it is supposed to be just as durable as the AK while staying as accurate as the M-16.
 
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ColdStart       4/12/2011 8:37:51 PM


Instead of deflecting the question maybe you should actually try to defend why Russia trains their military like apes. Do you honestly think Russia can produce more conscripts than the US economy can produce bullets and ship them over to kill them in their suicide waves? Terrible strategic and tactical solutions for the Russians, but hey whatever. If you can't make up for it in intellect and real strategy, blunt force works, too.


totally worthless statements...again out of nowhere. plus, it does not make sense after your previous statements. basically it was another way to flood out and lean off newly started topic... again same thing..
 
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GeorgeSPatton    earlm   4/12/2011 8:39:29 PM

Perforated armor is 50% the weight and 70% the resistance of plate vs KE.  It is better than plate against CE because it is bulkier.  I don't know how it compares to ceramics.  Some perforated has the holes filled with something such as ceramics, and others have it capped on either end with something such as a strike plate in front and a backing plate in back.


OK, so its kind of like mixing the effectiveness of plate vs KE with the effectiveness of ceramic vs CE?
 
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ColdStart       4/12/2011 8:40:49 PM


  I've heard that it is supposed to be just as durable as the AK while staying as accurate as the M-16.

AN-94
 
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SantaClaws       4/12/2011 8:41:37 PM




totally worthless statements...again out of nowhere. plus, it does not make sense after your previous statements. basically it was another way to flood out and lean off newly started topic... again same thing..
You brought up the AK, not me. I'm just agreeing with your assessment that it is "totally worthless" and incapable of doing its job just like everything else Russian (tanks, planes, ADA, missiles, soldiers, etc)
 
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SantaClaws       4/12/2011 8:43:10 PM


Ya, I was mainly referring to the original weapon as far as maintenance goes.  Even then I think it was more of an issue with the Army changing the kind of powder (I think thats what it was, I know they changed something) and telling soldiers it didn't need to be cleaned which caused it to jam so much.  I know the new M-4s and M-16s are pretty tough.  Still, you can do just about anything to an AK and it won't fire as well, but it will still fire.

Incidentally, have you gotten a chance to handle the new HK-416?  I've heard that it is supposed to be just as durable as the AK while staying as accurate as the M-16.


Nope, never handled it. Don't believe everything you read about how durable the AK is, just like don't believe how the M16 is such a priss. As always, the truth lies somewhere inbetween.
 
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ColdStart       4/12/2011 8:44:54 PM


Nope, never handled it. Don't believe everything you read about how durable the AK is, just like don't believe how the M16 is such a priss. As always, the truth lies somewhere inbetween.

inbetween? why...isnt it all the way on US side? all American is the best.
 
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SantaClaws       4/12/2011 8:47:43 PM





Nope, never handled it. Don't believe everything you read about how durable the AK is, just like don't believe how the M16 is such a priss. As always, the truth lies somewhere inbetween.




inbetween? why...isnt it all the way on US side? all American is the best.

Obviously your poor Russian education makes you incapable of understanding what I wrote.
 
So, yes, "all the way on US side" in terms of general education.
 
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ColdStart       4/12/2011 8:50:05 PM









totally worthless statements...again out of nowhere. plus, it does not make sense after your previous statements. basically it was another way to flood out and lean off newly started topic... again same thing..

You brought up the AK, not me. I'm just agreeing with your assessment that it is "totally worthless" and incapable of doing its job just like everything else Russian (tanks, planes, ADA, missiles, soldiers, etc)

you are totally ignorant, narrowminded and lame person. worthless person.
 
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gf0012-aust       4/12/2011 8:51:39 PM


so...gf12 (or whats ur nick)... your proposed RULES here...are failed! they are being constantly violated by people like Santa, and others....
 

a fundamental construct of participating in a debate is to actually understand what you are responding to before you engage and contribute.

I suggest that you suspend your desire to automatically reply to defend what you see as your ground and actually re-read my comments. - slowly at first so that you can appreciate the fact that I mod on other sites - not this site.

demonstrating that you can actually read and comprehend what others are saying before you dive right in and add your trivia would start to add some confidence that you want to participate as an adult.

the fact that you don't even try to make the effort to cite my tag properly shows your maturity.  if you want to be treated like an adult then start to act like one.


 
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