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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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ColdStart       4/12/2011 1:14:47 AM

You disagree with the Kremlim?!?! The KGB will be showing up at your door soon comrade.
 
It was not Kremlin who posts that crap. After Vietnam war there were some their government officials who said that we were about to loose war. now what? did it change the outcome of war? :) million things can be said by single personalities with different purposes... plus the added noise from mass media. plus edited and "translated" links and put up on some websites....and then people like you take it as a first order info. :)

 

And for your mobile air defense comment. No, not really. The last wars we fought we annihilated their air force within a few weeks and our ground guys operated without fear from the sky. FYI, planes only have so many places they can land. We can bomb those places.
 
Very Very and Very big underestimation... what you told right now applies only to "show wars" war against something like Libya or Iraq :) yes... in that case its gona be exactly like described above. But its not gona happen when there will be a war against sophisticated enemy. Airforce not gona guarantee then absolute power anymore, because it is really difficult to predict what will happen and when. And there is no smartass computer in pentagon which would be able to say exactly how its all gona work out :) its not gona be that easy. and, in that case, ground forces, fortifications, nuclear power plants, factories, other facilities must have very flexible and capable i.e. MOBILE air defence! Mobile air defense is a HUGE variable in an equation of the battlefield. 


 
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ColdStart    ok   4/12/2011 1:18:12 AM





hmm... trying to think what MBT role is there which it cant do.

Kill other tanks?

Just like the AK47 cant penetrate body of US soldiers, cuz they are so tough. :)
 
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GeorgeSPatton    Cold   4/12/2011 3:01:36 AM

Now... boy, go and educate yourself instead of trolling. When you were at an age of 10, i already was building radio amplifiers, and receivers. And i dont think its appropriate for you now to tell me how radar works. get a life in other words. the more you go - the more lame you make yourself seem, and people reading this thread would just think that way of your nation. just go over it, and youll be fine. At least i am not saying that Russia is a way more advanced in a whole etc... im real... you are not.

Before anything else, I'm going to give you a piece of your own advice: "the more you go - the more lame you make yourself seem, and people reading this thread would just think that way of your nation"    The only troll on this thread is you


Now, because I'm tired, and have better things to do than prove things to you that are already true, I'm just going to skip over the drivel of your previous post and skip right to this:

First, I was man enough to actually stand up and show my credentials. You have done nothing more than spam fanboy propaganda. Several pages ago I offered you the opportunity to give your own credentials, but you declined as I recall and brushed off an answer as beneath you. This tells me a lot about who and what you really are.
 
Before you shoot off about my inexperience, how bout you grow a pair and tell me how old you are and what you have done for a living.  Until then you have no business questioning my knowledge or criticizing my age. Once again you are either a young fanboy yet to learn the facts of reality, or an old one who refuses to let the past be. Once again I hope it is the former...
 
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GeorgeSPatton    Cold   4/12/2011 3:07:47 AM
 it is really difficult to predict what will happen and when. And there is no smartass computer in pentagon which would be able to say exactly how its all gona work out
 
Bud, if you ever find a computer that can do that, then you will win the war right there. :)
 
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SantaClaws       4/12/2011 3:49:29 AM
Well the AK is such a terrible weapon that wouldn't surprise me.










hmm... trying to think what MBT role is there which it cant do.



Kill other tanks?




Just like the AK47 cant penetrate body of US soldiers, cuz they are so tough. :)


 
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ColdStart    ok   4/12/2011 3:54:05 AM
last two messages are very lame. i'll leave those to external observers.
 
kid what else you wanna know? my grades at school maybe? driving license class? you are already out and basically dont know which question to ask or which action to take in order to distract attention from me pointing out your poor education. 
 
yeah... you all have better things to do. go ahead and do that :)
 
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SantaClaws       4/12/2011 5:14:16 AM
Well, you're obviously not interested in real debate, so there's no reason why I should be.
last two messages are very lame. i'll leave those to external observers.

 

kid what else you wanna know? my grades at school maybe? driving license class? you are already out and basically dont know which question to ask or which action to take in order to distract attention from me pointing out your poor education. 

 

yeah... you all have better things to do. go ahead and do that :)



 
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gf0012-aust       4/12/2011 6:10:51 AM

Well, you're obviously not interested in real debate, so there's no reason why I should be.

you've had the patience of Job..  

Wait 1 for incoming.

 
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earlm       4/12/2011 11:44:37 AM
Let's try to get the thread on track again.  Any guesses as to the make up of armor packages of the supertanks?  It's not an OPSEC issue unless you know the answer.  There' some interesting things that show the difference in tech between the West and the Rest.
 
M1:  Lots of ceramics, optimized against CE.  Later models introduced DU strike faces against KE.
Leopard 2:  Perforated armor is optimized against KE.  Later models introduced the highly angled plates that can snap a dart and provide standoff against CE.
Challenger:  What is Dorchester?
T-72 and updated T-72 (so called T-90):  Lots of steel, some space and some fiberglass cloth that is surprisingly good.

 
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GeorgeSPatton    Cold   4/12/2011 12:18:37 PM

kid what else you wanna know? my grades at school maybe? driving license class? you are already out and basically dont know which question to ask or which action to take in order to distract attention from me pointing out your poor education. 
 
Listen kiddo, I have been patient with you to the point of idiocy, and you have thrown it all back in my face time and time again.  You have proven that you are a hypocrite and will consistently contradict things you posted several pages ago (as I have already proven many times).  You criticize my age and education, yet you refuse to provide any credentials of your own (I couldn't care less about your grades.  In the real world, no one cares if you got an A in your high school physics class.).  Your "military facts" are nothing more than the same Russian fanboy propaganda that has been around for years.  Thus far you have only proven yourself to be a racist, a supremist, and quite frankly, a fool.  I have had it with you.  You have nothing whatsoever to add to this discussion.
yeah... you all have better things to do. go ahead and do that :)

I do have better things to do.  My facts are solid, yours are not.  I have credibility, you do not.  Thus concludes this wonderful little debate.  Good day to you, bud.



 
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