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Subject: How NOT to show off your new project
stbretnco    8/17/2009 1:53:13 PM
Or, how LockMart screwed up again. http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009908140383 Lockheed media show goes awry New military vehicle flips with TV reporter at wheel Staff report • August 14, 2009 OWEGO - Lockheed Martin gathered the media Thursday to show off its Joint Light Tactical Vehicle - a rugged all-terrain dynamo it hopes will replace the military's Humvee. Advertisement Lockheed had just completed 50,000 miles of testing on four JLTV prototypes and it wanted to celebrate. At stake is a contract that could be worth $75 billion to build the vehicles for the Army and Marines; the company is one of three competitors. Lockheed was so confident in the JLTV, it invited the press to test drive it. The end result was not what anyone expected. A cable television news reporter for News 10 Now escaped serious injury when he flipped the vehicle while driving it on a cross-country track. Neil St. Clair walked away from the crash with only minor injuries, News 10 Now reported on its Web site. A photographer in the passenger seat and a Lockheed Martin test driver in the back also suffered only minor injuries. All three were transported to a Wilson Regional Medical Center in Johnson City for evaluation and treatment for minor cuts and bruises. St. Clair was driving down a hill. While making a turn at the bottom of the hill, the vehicle flipped over and was damaged. "We got invited to do a test drive, and unfortunately an accident happened," said Ron Lombard, news director and general manager for News 10 Now. Before the test drive, Louis DeSantis, Vice President of JLTV Systems, was briefing the media about the vehicle. "The speed, the spec is 74 miles per hour. These will exceed the specifications fully armored at 24,000 pounds and I will tell you, very hard to tip over." St. Clair did not want to talk about the incident, said Lindsay Piccotti, assignment editor at News 10 Now, a cable TV news operation headquartered in Syracuse. Lockheed released a statement saying the incident is under review. "We'll go through an investigation like any incident," said Tom Greer, a spokesman for Lockheed's Owego facility.
 
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stbretnco    Fixed link   8/17/2009 1:58:34 PM
 
 
I just can't imagine driving something that big to carry four people. My M577 Command Post in Germany was 26,000 pounds and change!
 
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WarNerd       8/17/2009 10:14:40 PM

I just can't imagine driving something that big to carry four people. My M577 Command Post in Germany was 26,000 pounds and change!

It's a mini-MRAP.  Did the M577 meet those standards?
 
Congress keeps forcing our military to become overweight and road bound.
 
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stbretnco       8/17/2009 11:22:45 PM
JLTV is what happens when the press and Congress spec military vehicles through public opinion.
 
My 577 wasn't an MRAP, but then again it was a combat engineer unit. Combat engineers seek, destroy and emplace battlefield obstacles, which is a mission I can't imagine being able to do from the inside of a vehicle. For more protection (which is arguable as far as how effective it is, all the enemy has to do is make the boom bigger, in the race between weapons and armor, weapons have been winning as of late), you sacrifice mobility, double the number of vehicles it  takes to move a squad, double (at a minimum) your logistics footprint, which restricts your movement.
 
Congress needs to get back to asking the military what it needs instead of dictating.
 
In 1986-7 the military asked for Heavy Hummers and better body armor.........Congress told the Army to go pound sand.
 
Fast forward to the Iraq invasion, and the same Congress (Look at the members of the committees.....most of them look very similar 20 years later) harangues the Army about going in unprepared.
 
21st century HMS Clampherdown.
 
 
 
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