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Subject: Warrant Officer
colts    1/25/2007 7:53:57 PM
Can anyone tell me about warrant officers? I found the basic eligibility requirments, and what they are. But there must be more, would they typically be the officers in the field? On the spec ops? The force recon officers? The best way to become one? Should I go in with my degree? Or get it while I am in? I was talking to a Marine the other day and he said that I should get my degree while I am in the Corps, that way I would have rank over other people in and it would be easier to get promoted when the time comes? But I also think that promotion might come faster if I had my degree when I get in. Any help is greatfull. thanks colts
 
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BadNews    GET THE DEGREE   1/30/2007 9:39:05 PM
I was an active Marine for more than 20 years.. GET YOUR DEGREE FIRST! and GET MORE COLLEGE TIME WHILE ON ACTIVE DUTY. In today's armed forces, no matter what branch, education is everything!
 
In the Marine Corps, Warrant Officers are selected according to the manning requirements of the Corps, Warrant Officers are usually selected from the Staff NCO ranks, sometimes but rarelty Jr NCO ranks, based on performance, reccomendation and education.
 
By the way, if you go in with a degree, you will have rank over others from day one outside of boot camp, but remember, 'Rank over people' is not what it is all about, leadership and professionalism are, and the educated marine 9 times out of ten will have the edge there.
 
A little leadership tip, when refering to rank, never use the phrase over people in the same sentence, everyone regardless of ramk puts his pants on the same way, LEADERS, are those that work with people, not those who reign over them.
 
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colts    badnews   2/1/2007 4:20:52 PM
Thank you badnews.  What about the current size of our military, I did a little research yesterday and crunched the numbers, less than 1 percent of americans are in the service.  Isnt this a little shamefull?  Bush is sending more troops in, dont we need them? Do you think we need more willing and able troops?  I would love to get your thoughts.
Thanks again
Colts
 
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Horsesoldier       2/1/2007 4:36:06 PM
Warrant officers are generally technical specialists in some less than sexy field like maintenance, logistics, etc.  There are some limited exceptions to that, but I don't know that there are flashy jobs in the USMC for warrants.  Typical warrant officer career path (for non aviators) is enlistment in the military followed by application for to go warrant after attaining mid-career sort of status as an enlisted soldier in an appropriate job field.
 
The only special operations jobs for warrant officers I am aware of are the team technicians on Special Forces ODAs (the 2nd in command for the team) and some of the pilots in the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment.  Neither is an entry-level postion -- like other warrant slots you have to have clocked some time as an enlisted SF operator or an aviation warrant in a conventional unit before you can be considered for those jobs.
 
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Carl S       2/1/2007 6:26:45 PM
" Isnt this a little shamefull?  Bush is sending more troops in, dont we need them? Do you think we need more willing and able troops?  I would love to get your thoughts."

The total number of persons on active service is mostly a function of how much money is appropriated for their food, medical care, housing, & pay/benefits.  If the need for an Army of 750,000 is accepted then money for that many is appropriated (and taken from the public as taxes).  If the size accepted by Congress is 500,000 then money for that is made available.

Getting men & women into the military is seldom a problem.  Paying for them & the equipment is.  We could create a conscript military of the same scale as the Soviet Union had, & bankrupt ourselves just as thuroughly as they did.   Even a peacetime military the size of that on the 1980s was a strain.
 
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BadNews       2/2/2007 10:38:28 PM
Carl S hit it right on the head, size of Military is all about cost and what a nation is willing to pay. Do we need more, yes, we do, a mistake made historically by most natyions is reduce mlitary in peace time only to scramble when situations heat up. It is nothing new, it happened after WWII, Korea, Vietnam, The Cold War cooling and and we are paying for it once again now.
 
My experience says, we have no shortage of brave young men and women, only shortages of civil leaders with vision.
 
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