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Subject: New brigade structure
longrifle    1/27/2006 8:26:04 PM
More controversy about the new brigade structure. http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,86397,00.html
 
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Carl S    RE:Four Manuver Elements   1/30/2006 9:00:53 PM
There seems to be some confusion over the role of the divsion HQ. I read some places about a rigidly organized divsion with four BCT. Other places I read of the divsion HQ being a sort of super task force HQ, without any permanetly assigned components outside the HQ bn. One writer, who claimed to have been part of the team that designed the BCT related that the div HQ were written out of the reorg plan for some time, then added back in. The more I read about this thing the more it looks like one of those aborted reorgs that disappears when the current Sec Def or Sec Army disappears. Who remembers the TriCap divsion of the early 1970s? Or the Pentomic Divsion of the late 1950s?
 
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longrifle    RE:Four Manuver Elements   1/31/2006 1:24:02 AM
"Who remembers the TriCap divsion of the early 1970s? Or the Pentomic Divsion of the late 1950s?" True, as far as the pentomic division goes. Don't we have defacto TriCap divisions (or something along similar lines) at times now though? The entire 82nd did not deploy to either Iraq or Afgahnistan; brigades were OPCONED to other HQ's. I think the British made up a division of 16 Air Assault Brigade, 3 Commando Brigade, and an armored brigade (designation escapes me).
 
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interestedamateur    RE:Four Manuver Elements   1/31/2006 5:28:51 AM
"I think the British made up a division of 16 Air Assault Brigade, 3 Commando Brigade, and an armored brigade (designation escapes me)." You're thinking of 1 (UK) Armoured Division in GW2. BTW British Brigades now have 4 maneuvre units. W
 
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interestedamateur    RE:Four Manuver Elements   1/31/2006 5:32:45 AM
"I think the British made up a division of 16 Air Assault Brigade, 3 Commando Brigade, and an armored brigade (designation escapes me)." You're thinking of 1 (UK) Armopured ivision in GW2. BTW British Brigades now have a theoretical establishment of 4 maneuvre units. In reality however they are flexible units that change as the mission demands. For example 12 Mech Brigade's TOE in Iraq was something like 1 Recce Regt, 1 Armd Regt, 1 Armd Inf Regt, 1 Mech Inf Regt and 2 Lt Inf Regt's. As I've already noted future US Brigades will have 3 maneuvre units - the two battalion structure will only be around unitl FCS replaces Abramns/Bradley.
 
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longrifle    RE:Four Manuver Elements   1/31/2006 5:53:07 AM
"BTW British Brigades now have a theoretical establishment of 4 maneuvre units. In reality however they are flexible units that change as the mission demands." Post pentomic brigades in the U.S. Army had a basic structure of 3 battalions before the current UA organization. However doctrine always allowed for attaching more battalions, or deploying with less for that matter. I think the concept was supposed to be a spin-off of the WWII armored division combat command concept.
 
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Carl S    RE:Four Manuver Elements   1/31/2006 10:55:52 PM
I recall back in the 1980s seeing T/O for some US Army div that had extra armor & mech inf battalions tucked in. We counted twelve mech inf & armored battalions in one armored div at one point. : O
 
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stinger       3/10/2008 3:47:12 AM
Replace they Bradley's in the RSTA battalion with stryker's and fold them back into a 5th company. or have a mixture of strykers and Bradley's. the strikers are better for the RSTA mission anyways.they don't need to fight they just need to do RSTA stuff. i think the marines got it right with the LAV battalions. the go ahead of the RCT find the enemy make them commit fall back and then call in the armor. but i think a hybrid brigade call it a assault brigade and have a mixture of strykers Bradley's and Abrams. you can still keep the stryker brigades to do there thing but minus the artillery and trains and support. since we lost the division cav and corp recon let the strykers pick up that mission.
 
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stinger       3/11/2008 3:36:49 AM
In the stryker RSTA i would eliminate the mortar section but add a platoon of 25mm mounted strykers on a crow system without turret to add fire power.
 
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