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Subject: Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?
bravoss    10/16/2005 1:57:12 PM
i always wondered if the sf soldier are better soldiers than regular soldiers,do they get better hand to hand skills,better should skills,endurance and everything else important in being a soldier.i know they are mostly shown as the best of the best,but special forces doesnt mean only that are best,it means that they are units created for special operations.does the special forces really mean that they are better trained and better soldiers than regulars?
 
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Yimmy    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 2:53:40 PM
At the end of the day we're all human. I don't think hand-to-hand has had much to do with anything these days.
 
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GOP    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 3:31:07 PM
On average, they do, but not every SOF soldier is better than regular infantry. Like Yimmy said, we are all human, and because of that, anything is possible. The main thing that SF soldiers have is motivation, just about every regular infantrymen can get passed the tough specops training if he is motivated enough, it is that simple. >"I don't think hand-to-hand has had much to do with anything these days."< Not in a military sense, due to handguns and knives, but it helps in the frequent bar fight :)
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 4:33:14 PM
>>Not in a military sense, due to handguns and knives, but it helps in the frequent bar fight :) << Which is a pretty good way to ensure an exit from most SOF units in very short order. Special operations soldiers get treated like grown ups, "get to play by big kid rules" and such, but prove you're not worthy of that level of trust (at least in a manner that comes to the attention of your company or higher chain of command) and you'll be sent packing. And the more trust you get, the less room you have to screw up -- a 19 year old Ranger PFC might get off with an Article 15 for doing something crazy out on the town, but the same thing might be a career killer for an SF soldier in the long run and might get a member of Delta kicked back to the Big Army with no discussion whatsoever.
 
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bravoss    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 4:49:49 PM
well there are many young guys,actually i can call them kids in regular infantry,but all guys in special forces are older people.and it looks to me that regular army soldiers are more respected than sf soldiers.dunno why,i might be wrong
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 12:43:05 AM
I think on the whole, I'd consider them of a higher caliber than your average 11 series. They're usually the most professional in a professional army. They are usually a little older, which equates to more experiance and individual judgement that youre 18 year old privates simply dont have. Several more years of training and expertise in their field usually comes with that experiance also. As far as hand to hand training goes ... it's one of those fundamentals that cant be overlooked. I consider it the building block of, while maybe not relevant every day skill sets, the proper mindset and confidence builder that is essential to anyone going into harms way that wants to be a survivor.
 
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GOP    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 12:36:22 PM
>"Which is a pretty good way to ensure an exit from most SOF units in very short order. Special operations soldiers get treated like grown ups, "get to play by big kid rules" and such, but prove you're not worthy of that level of trust (at least in a manner that comes to the attention of your company or higher chain of command) and you'll be sent packing. And the more trust you get, the less room you have to screw up -- a 19 year old Ranger PFC might get off with an Article 15 for doing something crazy out on the town, but the same thing might be a career killer for an SF soldier in the long run and might get a member of Delta kicked back to the Big Army with no discussion whatsoever. "< I know, SOCOM forces have very strict rules, etc. I was referring to the frequent bar-fights that you read about in books and see in movies. You get into a bar-fight in Delta, you will probably be put in jail for killing someone :)
 
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Yimmy    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 12:48:42 PM
I don't think a Delta guy would do too well in a bar fight somewhat. Little fit guy vs big fat blokes, who are too intoxicated to feel the beer glass and all.
 
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GOP    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 9:21:28 PM
Beer glass? That is for the Marines. If you are SOCOM, you do some fast and painful hand-to-hand stuff :)
 
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All Soldier    Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   6/13/2009 10:20:19 AM
You know you would think that if a guy is drunk he wouldn't feel it, but we had a incident were i am from were 4 college kids went to a bar, got drunk and tried to mess with this old man that was there.  They messed with him till he told them to go #**$* themselves and left, but when he got to the parking lot they jumped him.  That old man ended up going to jail because he put 1 of them in ICU and messed the other 3 up pretty good.  Ends up that old man was a Army Ranger Back in Vietnam.  Guess they learned never under estimate the old guys.
 
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flamingknives       6/13/2009 1:59:15 PM
As a general rule, "college kids" are usually on the bottom rung of bar-room brawlers, as they won't have the motivation to keep going in the face of adversity. That said, there are people who would fit into the "College kids" bracket but are actually dangerous. But that sort of person does not go around starting bar room brawls.

SF tend to get more training in more areas than regular counterparts, which has to count for something, but there will be regular soldiers who are better in particular scenarios, infantrymen who are better shots than some snipers, etc. but they will not necessarily have the aptitude or motivation in different areas.
 
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