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Subject: Are the British the best trained army in the world?
Britain_patriot    4/13/2005 2:03:23 PM
your views please cheers
 
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spanky-grandma       6/17/2007 9:21:43 PM




Ehran there is no doubt in my mind that you are the biggest ass i have ever had the priviledge of talking to. Britain surrendered to american that is why the LOST yes LOST the war. I respect you when you post so please respect me. No eight year old making fun of. let's have an adult conversation here not bicker and snite.




how am i supposed to respect someone whose contact with reality seems so tangential?
the british achieved their goal and the americans failed miserably in achieving their conquest of canada.  how you can possibly translate that as an american victory just boggles the mind. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812#Great_Britain Read my link ehran i have done my research maybe if you weren't so ignorant you would actually read it. Now people are going to stop posting and im assuming that you began posting here to gain knowledge and not just to be such an incredible ass or "arss". to make people stop posting the simple fact is america would kick britain ass or "arss" up and down the street in a war. don't argue that point because it isn't arguable. Second your arguement is weak to began with because of the simple fact i just stated. So are you going to debate this with us or be such an incredible ass as to scare people off to other forums.

 
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Yimmy       6/17/2007 9:33:06 PM
It's spelled "arse".

And I can't see Ehran scaring off anyone, he is very much one of the more reasonable, better read, and well informed members of the boards.

 
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Ehran       6/18/2007 1:26:34 PM



link Read my link ehran i have done my research maybe if you weren't so ignorant you would actually read it. Now people are going to stop posting and im assuming that you began posting here to gain knowledge and not just to be such an incredible ass or "arss". to make people stop posting the simple fact is america would kick britain ass or "arss" up and down the street in a war. don't argue that point because it isn't arguable. Second your arguement is weak to began with because of the simple fact i just stated. So are you going to debate this with us or be such an incredible ass as to scare people off to other forums.


the war of 1812 was just shy of 200 years ago doofus.  as lopsided as the powerbalance is today between britain and the usa it was probably even more lopsided the other way in 1812.
i really can only guess what kind of dreck you were taught for history but you really ought to repay your teacher with a good swift shot to the nards for abusing your trust that way.

 
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Ehran       6/18/2007 1:28:50 PM


And I can't see Ehran scaring off anyone, he is very much one of the more reasonable, better read, and well informed members of the boards.

thanks for the kind words yimmy.  i am SO looking forward to retirement when i can devote more time to raising the tone around here

 
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andyf       6/18/2007 3:28:16 PM
no your right,, in a stand up fight the US wins.. oh, wait, submarines dont do the stand up fight bit do they?
its true, britains forces would be pulverised by overwhelming american numbers,-
but youd have problems occupying britain because you wouldnt have any transport ships left to move stuff with
look at the recent exercises involving US carriers and foreign subs
- the australians regularly hand you a ' youve been sunk' message
hell, even the chinese managed to sneak into kill range
your ASW sucks
 
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spanky-grandma       6/18/2007 3:40:12 PM
Ehran I am glad we can now talk reasonably. Coukd u give me your reasons why the brtis won the war of 1812 and then I can give you mine.
 
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spanky-grandma       6/18/2007 3:42:47 PM
Andyf i have a hard time beleiving that but it still could well be trure if you wouldn't mind giving me a link to those sources you have I would be very grateful.
 
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caltrop    War of 1812 a bit more complex   6/18/2007 3:45:32 PM




And I can't see Ehran scaring off anyone, he is very much one of the more reasonable, better read, and well informed members of the boards.


Ehran
I have noted that you have frequently commented that the US declared War in 1812 with the purpose of annexing Canada.  From my readings, I think that you are over emphasizing one aspect of the US reasons. 
 
As I understand it, the people of the US had several disagreements with England.  I'm not sure that any one of them was the most important reason to go to war and was probaly a sum of all.  Impressment was an issue and I agree with you that to many merchants this was more of a nuisance.
 
Impressment of sailors from a US Navy warship (Chesapeake) demonstrates that at the time, England had little respect for the USA which was also reflected in some of its restrictive trade policies.  These policies seemed the act of a spiteful loser of a war that had ended 25 years before.
 
I agree that a few Americans potentially saw Canada as opportunity for a land grab.  I believe these people were primarily located on the Northwest frontier and were a decided minority of Americans.  I also believe that many Americans in this same region were angry at what they saw as English support for the Native Americans in terms of the supply of weapons that was resulting in many civilan deaths.  They supported attacking Canada as means to fight back against the English. 
 
I think you will agree that many Americans at the time had little support for the war.  I think it could be argued that the state militias of the North performed so poorly (i.e. NY) in the fighting was in part a reflection of the fact that they had no interest in conquering Canada and were satisified with the pre-war borders and Canadian sovereignty. 
 
The result of the war as most posters on this thread have agreed:  A draw with very little rewards for both sides.  Perhaps the English gained a measure of respect for their former colonies.  Both sides suffered huge losses in terms of the merchant marine.  Importantly, the US learned that state militias were unreliable and began to seriously develop a professional army. 
 
 
 
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spanky-grandma       6/18/2007 3:51:23 PM
Andyf i have a hard time beleiving that but it still could well be trure if you wouldn't mind giving me a link to those sources you have I would be very grateful.
 
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spanky-grandma       6/18/2007 3:56:57 PM
Andyf i have a hard time beleiving that but it still could well be trure if you wouldn't mind giving me a link to those sources you have I would be very grateful.
 
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