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Subject: USMC fire and movement techniques?
broadaxe    7/15/2004 4:55:09 AM
I've been reading a lot of the rantings of Mike Sparks ( if you don't know what I'm on about check out / ) and according to him marines aren't trained to move in bounds. Am I misunderstood or is there some truth in this? I would be grateful if anyone could tell me a bit about marine small unit tactics. Thanks.
 
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dynmicpara    USMC is Doomed   8/10/2010 8:54:31 PM
Checking back in to see some of the replies.
 
A "few" are just absolute USMC apologist-liars playing the ole' False Consensus Effect game that one has to buy-into-USMC bullshit in order to have "been there". No, one does not have to be brain-washed to be a marine, marine NCO or marine officer. Yes, most are brain-washed. However, not this one when he was in. I was "there" and I employed the 13-man infantry rifle squad AND IT'S A CLUSTERFUCK. I thought so at the time--and still do today. Lying marines cannot look at anything INTRINSICALLY for what it actually is; if it's feces with an Eagle, Globe and Anchor attached its now subjectively a "steak". No, it's SHIT if it's feces--NOT "steak". I never bought into USMC bullshit when I was in--and certainly do not now knowing even more about the mess. The USMC can be described in one word: NARCISSISM. I wish I knew about that word and the hubris it represents when I was in, it would have explained everything.  
 
The next excuse tried was the jargon game that the 13-man clusterfuck is "NCO whatever". It's a piece-of-shit as a dismounted military formation. Period. Regardless if NCOs or Mickey Mouse is trying to direct it. The Army 9-man infantry squad FOCUSED ON THE ENEMY and not an internal bureaucratic plan and is "NCO centric" to the max because they have to THINK and ADAPT to the enemy--not take their lumps steering the herd into terrain and enemy problem-after-problem. Instead of pontificating with sterotypical Sparks-Hate, Get Off Your Asses (GOYA) and go try the 13-man cluster fuck USMC style; it'll be like an Esther Williams synchronized swimming except walking; you'll spend most of your time INTERNALLY focused on maintaining pretty formations and trying to maintain control. But without Esther Williams to make it at least pleasurable. =o)
 
I have personally earned the right to conclude the USMC is fucked up; how many whiners here have been both NCO and officer like I have in the USMC for a bout a decade? Huh? Well? I gave the USMC a chance; I fought HARD to fix it when I was in, however it's a bullshit, malignant narcissist club for weak egos that doesn't want to get better because IT DOESN'T THINK IT'S EVEN SICK! I'm so glad I'm out from that bureaucracy of lemmingtude. The Army is a bureaucracy, too but it's better because there are still some strong adults in it who don't have the weak ego dependant upon USMC mythology as a crutch. However, NEITHER are PROFESSIONS. And if America is going to survive being threatened by non-linear wars by THINKING enemies we need PROFESSIONAL air/sea/land maneuver forces that THINK and look at everything based on the OBJECTIVE FACTS and then uses IMAGINATION and creativity to overmatch the enemy--not fight him at a disadvantage because it FEELS GOOD to self and peer validate into Walter Reed Hospital missing limbs or the grave. America needs a military that FIGHTS GOOD--not wants to be good at a fight.
 
Let's talk about this false LIBEL being thrown around against me by some weaklings who cannot win an argument on FACTS and merit. To falsely accuse someone is not only criminal and unprofessional, it's a LACK OF HONOR since its driven by a lack of HUMILITY to admit that someone just might have given the USMC all any sane person should withstand and walked away concluding it's fucked up. (swear words intentional to get point across). This BS that I have to "suffer damages" from any libelous lies is yet more proof that those using that as a loophole have no honor; they go to whatever the lowest common denominator of law or social PCness they can get away with. They are malignant and malicious. Before the 1963 Supreme Court ruling to save the New York Times from a libel case YOU HAD BETTER HAVE SOME EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU PUT SOMETHING IN PRINT. Before 1963, the Freedom of Speech was for TRUE SPEECH; you couldn't LIE and say "Fire!" in a crowded theatre any more than you could knowingly LIE in print about someone you hate. How tragic America has slid into a Nazi fascist state!  We have perverted the intention of our Founding Fathers to use FREEDOM TO LIVE ACCORDING TO OUR CONSCIENCE into ANARCHY that everyone has a license to subjectively state any BS they want in public and not do any due diligence to show an honest regard for OBJECTIVE TRUTH determined from the facts.
 
You should not LIE and bear false witness against another BECAUSE IT'S WRONG; not whether you can "get away with it" with our perverted post-1963 Free Speech mentality. The FACTS of my military record are self-evident and part of the public record so anyone saying otherwise--are absurd, malicious liars with an "agenda" to divert attention from some sacred cow I'm slaying with the help of many others for the GOOD O
 
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CharlesDarby       8/15/2010 10:55:54 PM
 
 
LT. Sparks,
 
The U.S. Marines were given the Marjah assignment based on their ability cover ground quickly from an assimilation of 13 man rifle squads and or variant uses of the same at the company and battalion levels which affect options concerning higher representations of configurative numerical troop strength.
 
Thus,  the inclination of this configuration to converge in a diverse and expansive manner also provided the Marines with the ability to survey, assess and suppress IED obstacles during the Marjah offensive in an unparalleled manner regarding the war in Afghanistan.   
 
"I say drop one fireteam from each squad and form a WEAPONS SQUAD to keep your damn man-slots and equip them with anti-material rifles and American RPGs so we can actually have some High Explosive (HE) shock action against things like enemies hiding behind thick Afghan walls. Better yet, have the 4th Squad each operate a High Technology M113 AmphiGavin for armored cross-country mobility to avoid roads and land mines, firepower and amount of supplies superior to manpacking that is CH-53E internally air transportable OVER SEA MINES."
 
Configurative changes and a diverse assimilation of force multipliers has always been a Commander's option in the U.S. Military provided he or she has the wherewithal to assess the enemy and provide higher command with theatre related probabilities that validate permissive contingency options.
 
You negate high angle fire with precision fire and convergence that ultimately breaks the enemy on every level before you get there presently(Sun Tzu variant).

"The Army has concepts of movement like IMT, overwatch, bounding overwatch etc. that are head and shoulder superior to the do-what-you-are-told lemming USMC infantry. Go research it."
 
We are not judging the Army here. Their dominance over 230 years and counting speaks for itself. 

"There will be no getting off if you are shot down in flames because your low grade marines can't jump in a dispersed manner to seize an airfield or airhead. "
 
This is not a problematic issue sir (tactics).

"YOU ARE AN IGNORANT IDIOT THEN. Learn how to read and absorb details. The British Army and IDF are light year's ahead of the USMC and most units in the Army. Sorry if that bursts anyone's AmeroExceptional triumphalist bubble. "
This is not true and we do not want anyone to believe otherwise in a post 9/11 world that requires our ability to implement an exertive  counterstrike that removes the enemy's expectation of proportionality, as proportionality is acceptable to the enemy and does not remove their threat level.
 
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SantaClaws       9/7/2010 2:28:41 PM
He's not in the military. I asked him to prove it by emailing me from his AKO account. At first he refused citing that no one in the Army used AKO, lol. Then after constant hammering from me he decided to, from an AOL account. He even had the gall to threaten to call my commanding officer, lol I'm not sure what he was going to threaten with, but I found it amusing. He stopped contacting me after I informed him it was a federal crime to impersonate a military officer.
 
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SantaClaws       9/9/2010 11:27:26 PM
I'm sorry to bump this but I read this link
 
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and I had to laugh. "LT" Sparks, I suggest you go and read FM 6-22 , chapter 4, and actually educate yourself on the difference between Honor, Integrity and Respect because they are not the same thing. There is a reason why it is not called the Medal of Integrity/Respect. I am still waiting for your AKO email. Last I heard they bumped the enlistment age to 42 so you still may have time to man up and prove me wrong.
 
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jcusmc       1/6/2011 7:18:37 PM
Sparks, it amazes me that after all this time you are still an idiot.
 
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sunsaint       3/27/2011 1:08:09 PM
Oh, the real Mike Sparks.
 
The one who has no proof that he ever heard a shot fired in anger, that Mike Sparks?
 
The one who loves to make fun of fellow Amercians who served in combat with distinction, that Mike Sparks?
 
The one who has no proof that he wasn't ejected from the Marine Corps., possibly for failing a simple swim test, that Mike Sparks?
 
The one who doesn't seem to care that what he posts on the world wide web could bring harm to American men, and women, of the armed forces simply because he may have a childish grudge against their branch of the service, that Mike Sparks?
 
The one who is loved by the terrorist who would destroy this country, that Mike Sparks?
 
I could go on, but I think everyone gets the picture. 
 
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sunsaint       3/27/2011 1:27:37 PM
I didn't think this guy Mike Sparks was an officer, or even an nco, in any branch.  Though I think it's true, though I could be wrong, that his grudge against the corps is due to his having been ejected from officer training for failing a swim test.  I think he works for a company that makes some kind of tow bar.  If he was in the Army he certainly could have sent you that e-mail.  It does, however, look like he is financed by someone for what he does. 
 
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DynmicparaIsacoward    Nomorenarcissism a coward too   1/28/2012 9:49:10 PM
We're not lying on Lieutenant Sparks because I don't think sparks is a Lieutenant. I think he's just some punk kicked out of the corps for cowardice. You have never, ever, done anything to prove that you were ever re-instated in the military, let alone commission. You don't have an officer's e-mail address and no one has seen even a redacted DD 214.Little Mike you're you're just a spoiled cowardly little boy like you always were, But now someone pays you to do it. Most likey Al Qaeda.
 
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DynmicparaIsacoward    Nomorenarcissism a coward too   1/28/2012 10:22:19 PM
We're not lying on Lieutenant Sparks because I don't think sparks is a Lieutenant. I think he's just some punk kicked out of the corps for cowardice. You have never, ever, done anything to prove that you were ever re-instated in the military, let alone commission. You don't have an officer's e-mail address and no one has seen even a redacted DD 214.Little Mike you're you're just a spoiled cowardly little boy like you always were, But now someone pays you to do it. Most likey Al Qaeda.
 
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DynmicparaIsacoward    Nomorenarcissism a coward too   1/28/2012 10:22:28 PM
We're not lying on Lieutenant Sparks because I don't think sparks is a Lieutenant. I think he's just some punk kicked out of the corps for cowardice. You have never, ever, done anything to prove that you were ever re-instated in the military, let alone commission. You don't have an officer's e-mail address and no one has seen even a redacted DD 214.Little Mike you're you're just a spoiled cowardly little boy like you always were, But now someone pays you to do it. Most likey Al Qaeda.
 
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