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Subject: Most feared modern army
smudge    4/18/2004 10:46:27 AM
What army would be the most feared not in terms of size and equipment but in terms of tactics,history, and over all profesionalism? the mongol army israel defence force
 
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AlbanyRifles    Yimmy   9/11/2006 3:27:51 PM
Because for some reason it looked like the system was no responding, so I hit the submit comment button a second time.
 
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Yimmy       9/11/2006 6:07:08 PM
But over an hour after the first post?

Interesting....

*Notes down in little black book*
 
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Ehran    Joe Sixpack   9/12/2006 12:13:45 PM
I have a friend who is a nurse and she said that in adults you would start seeing brain damage at about 105 degrees in adults.  kids are a bit more resistant to that for some reason.
 
when i was younger i worked in a gravel pit during high summer a couple summer vacations and i can certainly sympathize with people trying to function wearing body armour etc under those conditions.  we got up to 135 degrees on the office thermometer a couple times and topping 120 was routine.
 
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Ael       9/13/2006 12:35:40 PM
In WWII after finding some executed prisoners, Canada got locked into a blood feud with the SS.
Canadians took remarkably few SS prisoners after that.  It helped their reputation for fierceness.
Amenesty International had not been founded in those days.
 
As far as this discussion goes, it should be pointed out that *none* of the WWII armies exist anymore.
Those armies were largely manned by farm-boys.  Kids who had grown up outdoors and were incredibly tough.
They could undergo hardships and not even notice it.  (Remember, using an unheated outhouse in 40 below weather was *normal* for prairie farm people)
 
Nowadays, our civilized armies are manned by soft city slickers. 
 
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johngage       9/13/2006 11:31:40 PM
With regard to the ancient world, I would have to go with the Romans. From a small village on the banks of the Tiber, they managed to conquer almost the whole of modern day Europe. They also defeated many powerful enemies along the way; the Macedonians (heirs of Alexander the Great), the Etruscans, the Samnites, the Gauls, the Carthaginians...etc
 
Frequently, they faced enemies of greater numbers, The Romans certainly had better organization but no great technological edge over their enemies except for better training and tactics. They also had a track record of winning wars which stretched back almost a thousand years.
 
If a modern day army is considered, then I would have to go with the Wermacht. Many of the countries that they defeated such as France, were great powers in their own right. They certainly had a technological edge over countries such as Poland but frequently (like the Romans) their edge was in better training and tactics. Near the end of the war they faced terrible odds, fighting against the vastly more numerous US/USSR but still put up a strong resistance almost to the very end. What I particularly admire was their use of the "combined-arms" concept.
 
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Tiber1       9/14/2006 12:32:18 AM



"Albany,
You're on to something. I think the light guys have got it wrong...you don't bring a SAW to a knife fight, you bring a tank heavy company team."

See Light doesn't think like that. We expect to be stationed in the middle of a swamp, with no access for vehicles of any kind. We could be in the middle of the Sahara Desert or the Antarctic and they'd find a nice, moist, sludge filled swamp for us to play in...

    In 1987, when I commanded a mech infantry company team with attached M1s at Ft Stewart, GA, a airborne battalion task force from the 82d ABN thought that way......and were absolutely stunned when my M1s and M2s came roaring out of the swampy area south of Metz Drop Zone to clean their clock.   You owuld be surprised at the low ground pressure of an M1 and M2!!!  Yeah they can get stuck but they can also go pretty well if driven properly. 



That would have been funny to watch. We always seemed to end up in swamps that were not even fit for humans to move around in. I remember once in Florida where it took us over 3 hours to move about 200 meters. Part of it had floating "land", where in if you broke through it was like 5-10' of water. Then we had a "underbrush" that was like 20' high. You had to literally crawl threw it, handing your weapons and packs through fire bucket style.
    Then in North Carolina, we spent time on a former rice farm, now national/state forest. A canal 4-5 wide might be 2' deep of muddy water or 6-7'. I remember watching one of our squad leaders miss jumping across one and all we saw was his boonie cap floating on the surface. Saw a Humvee attempt to cross a canal not much wider then it and completely disappear! A few feet over it was only knee deep... Lessor swamps then that, we'd call camp! =D
 
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AntiSatPower       9/19/2006 10:08:45 PM
The ancient Mongols and the modern IDF are a friggin' joke.

The Mongols were the worst ship builders of all time and spent much of their time drowning themselves in Japanese waters, the failure of the Mongolian Empire would see them become a failed nation ruled by the Chinese for hundreds of years ( until the Russians decide to liberate them from China and defend Mogolia from Japan during WW2 ) the ancient Mongols had very limited success in Europe - the only Europeans they can boast defeating are the Hungarians, in Europe they had fond themselves in a foreign land with little supplies, facing hostile people and European fortifications.

 Israel is tottaly over-rated as a great army because their opponents have been pathetic. A bunch of incompetent Syrians and stone throwing teenagers from palestine are no match for the IDF's expensive toys
 
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battlebrother69       10/13/2007 5:10:54 PM
fear/ repect just for the sheer amount of tacticalally sound victories impressive feats of war and the huge amount of terror there armies have brought in the long history, they've gone toe to toe with the greatest military threats in the time line and more often than not come out on top even against overwhelming odds, due in part to us bieng a stubborn bunch who dont take kindly to bieng pushed around.

things have definately changed now but we still the most respected armed force.
 
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battlebrother69       10/13/2007 5:12:06 PM
the british armed forces are greatly feared / repected just for the sheer amount of tacticalally sound victories impressive feats of war and the huge amount of terror there armies have brought in the long history, they've gone toe to toe with the greatest military threats in the time line and more often than not come out on top even against overwhelming odds, due in part to us bieng a stubborn bunch who dont take kindly to bieng pushed around.

things have definately changed now but we still the most respected armed force.
 
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battlebrother69       10/13/2007 5:29:12 PM
the british armed forces are greatly feared / repected just for the sheer amount of tacticalally sound victories impressive feats of war and the huge amount of terror there armies have brought in the long history, they've gone toe to toe with the greatest military threats in the time line and more often than not come out on top even against overwhelming odds, due in part to us bieng a stubborn bunch who dont take kindly to bieng pushed around.

things have definately changed now but we still the most respected armed force.
 
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