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smudge 4/18/2004 10:46:27 AM

What army would be the most feared not in terms of size and equipment but in terms of tactics,history, and over all profesionalism? the mongol army israel defence force

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Herc the Merc GOP-Shocker for u --NATO wants Gurkhas to take on Taleban-Indian army needed--Read Bold line- 9/7/2006 3:38:31 PM

NATO general seeks extra troops as Taliban poses major problems - Indian commandoes ready to help
Balaji Reddy
Sep. 7, 2006

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Talibans use hide and seek warfare and NATO is struggling to cope up to that. According to media reports, NATO's top commander on Thursday urged allied nations to send reinforcements to war-ravaged southern Afghanistan, where resurgent Taliban militants are inflicting heavy casualties on foreign forces and captured a remote town from police for the second time in two months.

What Talibans are doing is called wait, hide and strike. It is difficult to handle this type of warfare for established armored infantry and air forces in a rugged terrain like Afghanistan.

These Taliban fighters have secret routes to their bases in the Pakistani tribal regions in the Pakistan-Afghanistan borders. They strike, cause trouble and then run away to hide outs though secret tunnels and passes within the rugged mountains.

The solution may be a little different. Some think tanks believe that Indian Army especially the Gorkha regiments may be the only one that can provide adequate challenge to the Talibans.

Like in Kargil war between India and Pakistan, when the enemy are entrenched within higher grounds, ready to use any tricks to strike and run away, you need soldiers that are not afraid to chase these hide and seek operators into their sanctuaries. Indian Army demonstrated that in Kargil and may be the only choice for NATO.

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joe6pack 9/7/2006 4:23:57 PM

"These Taliban fighters have secret routes to their bases in the Pakistani tribal regions in the Pakistan-Afghanistan borders. They strike, cause trouble and then run away to hide outs though secret tunnels and passes within the rugged mountains. "

Notice the repeated use of the word "secret" ? Herc, you can't chase what you can't find. Its a simple request for more troops. More troops means you can cover more ground, look more places, and secure more areas. In my opinion, this has been the greatest problem in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Lack of "boots on the ground".

This has absolutely nothing to do with the willingness of troops to "chase" (which isn't always a bright idea) or engage the enemy.

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Herc the Merc Joe6pack 9/7/2006 4:29:13 PM

The point is more troops are needed in Afghanistan and Iraq---NATO is undermanned and its civvie population prefers golf. India is a good source -at least in Afghanistan, in Iraq India has had bad memories under the British command plus its generally an unpopular war worldwide. In Afghanistan more troops are needed--India would be willing but Pakistan would go Ballistic, because once the Indians move in--they ain't leaving ever.

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SteelGear 9/8/2006 6:04:17 PM

The Australian Army during the Veitnam War. After the battle of Longtan (a battle were a North Vietnamese Regiment got its arse handed to by 2 infantry companies, with arty support) the VC and North Vietnamese were given explicit orders to avoid contact with Australian forces if possible.

Granted we probably were not the most feared army in all of history but we had a way of leaving lasting impressions.

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AlbanyRifles 9/11/2006 11:32:42 AM

"Albany,
You're on to something. I think the light guys have got it wrong...you don't bring a SAW to a knife fight, you bring a tank heavy company team."

See Light doesn't think like that. We expect to be stationed in the middle of a swamp, with no access for vehicles of any kind. We could be in the middle of the Sahara Desert or the Antarctic and they'd find a nice, moist, sludge filled swamp for us to play in...

In 1987, when I commanded a mech infnatry company team with attached M1s at Ft Stewart, GA, a airborne battalion task force from the 82d ABN thought that way......and were absolutely stunned when my M1s and M2s came roaring out of the swampy area south of Metz Drop Zone to clean their clock. You owuld be surprised at the low ground pressure of an M1 and M2!!! Yeah they can get stuck but they can also go pretty well if driven properly.

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AlbanyRifles To myself 9/11/2006 11:35:22 AM

And I would be surprised how well things would go if I used the spell check button!

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Ehran Joe Sixpack 9/11/2006 11:54:15 AM

Last, let me point something out to you, its not just 125 degrees in the shade, the body armor and helmets most infantry wear serve to raise the core body temperature by upwards of 10 degrees. Thats not even close to saying the same thing as it's 10 degrees hotter with that stuff on.

that cannot literally be true. if you actually raised the core body temp by 10 F you'd have guys dropping dead all over and the survivors would all be brain damaged at the best.

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joe6pack 9/11/2006 12:39:00 PM

that cannot literally be true. if you actually raised the core body temp by 10 F you'd have guys dropping dead all over and the survivors would all be brain damaged at the best.

I could be mistaken. Although, I beleive that was the number mentioned in training.

I did some poking around on the internet and the numbers came up between 5 and 10 degrees. However, the definition was not core temperature but "Wet Bulb Globe Temperature" - the definition I found was as follows:

The Wet Bulb Globe Temperature (WBGT) index was developed by the U.S. military to model the stress on the human body in hot, humid environments.

So, it looks like my terminology is wrong.. Not sure how this WBGT thing works, its definetly not the same as saying its 10 degrees warmer... neither is it equal to a rise in core temperature. Perhaps, for the non-scientific amongst us (like me), its best to say that it gets hot wearing body armor ;-)

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AlbanyRifles To myself 9/11/2006 12:43:21 PM

And I would be surprised how well things would go if I used the spell check button!

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Yimmy 9/11/2006 1:00:19 PM

Why did you say that twice?

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