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Subject: Will the Marine Corp create commando units?
macawman    10/27/2002 10:48:50 PM
The Corp had commando units in the Pacfic in WW II. They were called Marine Raiders. They did an effective job on Makin Island. The main reason the Raiders were disbanded was the Marine Corp did not want an elite organization within an already elite organization. Like todays SF these marines stood out from the typical marine when it came to military discipline, and their commander was too out spoken for his peers. It will be more than just retiree associations that will impede development of battalion size Marine commando units. October 25, 2002; The U.S. Marine Corps, as is their custom, now thinks it might be a good idea to copy their brethren, the British Royal Marines, and convert themselves to a commando force. During World War II, the Royal Marines turned themselves into the Royal Marine Commandos. After 1945, when Britain disbanded all of it's commandos, the Royal Marines retained three of their infantry battalions as Royal Marines Commandos (commando battalions). These three battalions have remained in service to the present, mainly because they always performed as advertised. The U.S. marines have long since dropped their divisional organization, using the three "division" headquarters as an administrative units for managing the battalion and brigade (2-4 battalions) size task forces for whatever assignments come their way. This has worked quite well over the last two decades. The new proposal would finally do away with the marine division (the first one was organized in 1942, six were active in World War II). Marines would be trained more for commando operations rather than traditional infantry combat. This is a trend that is already present in marine training, although marines are still considered, first and foremost, elite ground combat troops. It is expected that there might be a lot of resistance from marine veterans groups (over a hundred thousand marine veterans of World War II are still around, and they can be a feisty lot.) But the marines do have a tradition of constantly transforming themselves, something even old marines recognize and respect.
 
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swami    RE:Will the Marine Corp create commando units?   3/21/2004 4:28:47 PM
I agree. The MEU-SOC plays the role of a commando unit with much more staying power. No need to create special "commando" units.
 
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Sinamons    RE:Will the Marine Corp create commando units?   6/15/2005 1:38:13 PM
The Marine Corp is an elite force in its own respect, but for awhile we've been considered a supporting cast. Yes we are the first in every conflict to restore order, but after that we're replaced and set aside waiting for another conflict to acted first in. Like the Army special forces, they like to be distinguished from the regular Army( as they would call it), and so do Marines who actually support the various missions that others don't. Marine Force Recon has been sometimes classified as Special Forces and sometimes not, which puts them kinda in the same standards as a Marine who works in an admin office. The Marine Corp was made to fight and defend this great nation of America. I believe the Marine Corp should create a commando unit and make an emblem that distinguish them from the rest of the Marines for those Marines of this commando unit will have forfill the traditional Marine, a fighter and defender of this great nation.
 
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Mike From Brielle    RE:Will the Marine Corp create commando units?   6/16/2005 7:56:07 PM
I have only read a little about this new integration (so this is not gosspel) of more Marines into SOCOM but from what I hear their going to "SHARE" most of the Recon, ANGLICO, and Radio Recon assets within a MEU when deployed, with the slots acctualey belonging to SOCOM. TO me a better idea would be to double up on the number of Marines in these billets asssined to an MEU and have half detailed to support SOCOM mission (where does Force Recon fit in this equation?) and half supporting the regular MEU deployment. SOCOM would pay for half while deployed and all updates / enhancements to the Snake eater training sylabus. This would enhance the ability of the MEU/SOC to support SOCOM at the FORCE level while maintaining an ability to support SOCOM operators in tactical situations that require a little more umph in a hurry.
 
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JCT    RE:Will the Marine Corp create commando units?   6/17/2005 1:30:55 AM
I think that this SOCOM integration may be a bad thing. SOCOM does not have a good history of returning the people that they 'borrow.' If a regular rotation of Marines in and out of the units detached to SOCOM is achieved (thereby allowing them to pass on their training to others), it may become a 'good thing' as the new skills that SOCOM can pay for can be spread around. If SOCOM sucks up some of the best and doesn't return them, then the whole Corps will suffer.
 
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Mike From Brielle    RE:Will the Marine Corp create commando units - JCT?   6/17/2005 10:16:02 AM
That's why I feel they should double up on the componenets that SOCOM wants and rotate them between support for SOCOM mission and MEU mission with the SOCOM attahed half acting to support the SOCOM mission and acting as a liason between the MEU and the SOCOM missions. As always the MEU/SOC as a whole to support SOCOM mission as required.
 
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JCT    RE:Will the Marine Corp create commando units - JCT?   6/17/2005 11:13:17 AM
It always comes down to money & manpower. Both have to be freed up to create new units. If its for SOCOM, they might pony up some of the cash, but I wouldn't count on it. Manpower is more difficult. The last manpower increase has already been 'spent'. The Reserves has already converted some artillery and tank units to other fields (Anti-Terrorism Co & LAR Co's.) In the '90s, the majority of the fat was trimmed. The last round of cuts reduced trigger pullers. The only problem with a MEU supporting SOCOM operations overseas is that they are not very quiet. Three large amphibs are hard to hide.
 
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0352warrior    RE:Will the Marine Corp create commando units - JCT?   6/21/2005 5:41:20 AM
yes 2500 marines reporting to socom as soon as it is signed of on
 
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usmc0351       2/7/2009 2:26:53 AM
  They have had commando units for decades! Commando units have a broad spectrum, from light infantry to special forces ( U.S."Special Operations" ). MEUSOC units perform commando operations in the light infantry role, and MARSOC ( formerly SRIG/ force recon ) units in the special forces role. Only 1/3 of the USMC is infantry. Out of this 2 regiments are MEUSOC, and 2 battalions make up MARSOC. The other 2/3 of the Corps provides support. However, their all called Marines.  
 
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