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Subject: Top 10 Special Forces
Diablo_45    1/3/2004 5:54:04 AM
any ideas ??? (1 per country please)
 
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12345    RE:Top 10 Special Forces - Boris   7/26/2005 2:54:20 AM
I agree it is pointless; germans regarded high but lost almost all wars, russian regarded as low, but won almost all wars
 
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12345    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   7/26/2005 2:56:59 AM
I agree that is pointless; Germans lost almost all wars, but regarded high; Russians( Chinese) regarded low, but won almost all wars
 
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12345    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   7/26/2005 2:57:28 AM
I agree that is pointless; Germans lost almost all wars, but regarded high; Russians( Chinese) regarded low, but won almost all wars
 
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Gasmal       1/18/2007 10:14:56 PM

I heard that Thai and Malaysian SOF were also good. They certainly are the masters of their terrain, but I am not sure that generally speaking they have more skills than the above units.
I found this from web
SF groupings
Gerup Gerak Khas or GGK of the Malaysian Army
PASKAL of the Navy
PASKAU of the Air Force
PGK of Royal Malaysian Police, consisting of VAT69 and UTK, with VAT69 specializing in jungle warfare and UTK in urban ops, despite being a civil SF, all are airborne qualified

specialized units
Senoi Praaq of the Police, all aborigines unit, jungle trackers extraordinaire, were used as mercenaries by the CIA (at the time the Senoi Praaq were still under the British) in jungle operations in Vietnam and Laos during the Vietnam war. Many were stranded there and had to find their own way back to Malaysia when the US calls it quit and left. Sad to say only a handful make it :(
CPK of the Army, SF qualified military police
RKPT of the Army, under Military Intel, looking at their past records, probably trained for wetwork ops, little is known about this secretive unit, except that many of the members are SF qualified
SOPASUS of the GGK, cell sized units, trained for counter terrorisme and black ops

shock troops
RDF or the using the Malay acronym, PAC, consisting of 10 Para Brigade of the Army, as well as all the SF groups, all airborne and airmobile qualified

CT/HR teams
CT/HR team of GGK, maybe they are known as ULK, or maybe not
SST of PASKAU
CT/HR teams of PASKAL,VAT69 and UTK

a couple of weeks back, the Navy SEALs boys trained with a newly established SF unit under the Malaysian Marine Police, and found them to be quite good! this series of exercises will probably be expanded in the future

hope this will shed some light on previously unknown units of the Malaysian SF!
Credit to : Matthew1045 from sgforums.com
 
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Ispose       1/19/2007 2:02:00 PM
I think all Special Forces are quite good...there are a lot of excellent troops in every unit. Some may specialize in various cataegories but in a pinch they can do most missions assigned to them. I thinks the US Special Forces ( Army SF, Rangers, Force Recon, SEALS) are tops because of their unparrelleled support structure. They can operate just about anywhere, anytime, any mission, and have the infrastructure to support them. On a skill level basis all the top notch SF groups are pretty much on par...SAS, ASAS, SBS, etc...great troops all of them. They just don't have the Aviation, Intelligence, Naval, etc support that the US Special Forces do. If we do support them in this area then they are every bit a capable as the US. I spent all my military time in a Combat Engineer unit and only worked with a few SF Demo specialists who impressed me with their professionalism. There was no Hollywood bravado crap...just good troops. You give any SF troops the tools and support needed any any of them will do the mission. My hats off to all of them.
 
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longrifle       1/19/2007 3:20:22 PM
If people are determined to keep resurecting threads like this - and unfortunately it looks like that's inevitable - could we at least ask the question a different way?  Forget debates about who's the best, or who has the hardest selection. That turns into a nationalism argument, at best; or desintigrates into a d**k measuring contest. How do you define hard? How do you define best?

Who's been employed the most and who's had the most mission success? That's a better question.

Is there a modern special operations force in existence that has seen more combat employment and mission success than the Israelis?

The Israelis have had their notable failures as well; however, they've been very active and had quite a few successes, within the parameters of what they were designed to do and what their country needed them to accompolish.

What their country needs them to do isn't FID or UW either. Other countries may have different needs and expectations for their special operations forces.
 
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GOP       1/20/2007 12:47:55 AM

If people are determined to keep resurecting threads like this - and unfortunately it looks like that's inevitable - could we at least ask the question a different way?  Forget debates about who's the best, or who has the hardest selection.
That turns into a nationalism argument, at best; or desintigrates into
a d**k measuring contest. How do you define hard? How do you define
best?



Who's been employed the most and who's had the most mission success? That's a better question.



Is there a modern special operations force in existence that has seen
more combat employment and mission success than the Israelis?



The Israelis have had their notable failures as well; however, they've
been very active and had quite a few successes, within the parameters
of what they were designed to do and what their country needed them to
accompolish.



What their country needs them to do isn't FID or UW either. Other
countries may have different needs and expectations for their special
operations forces.
I agree 100%. Looking back at my above post (which was posted a long while back), I cringe knowing how uneducated I sounded. I've learned alot about SOF in a relatively short time due to this site, reading, other websites, and talking to regular soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines (and former)

 
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Ezekiel       1/23/2007 1:27:04 PM
USA, British, Israeli.... these are the 3 stand outs, after these it would be russian, and french, Indian. 
 
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ukchari    India:Making a Mark   4/2/2007 7:43:59 PM
NEW DELHI: Mention ‘Special Forces’ and the intrepid Israelis, the gung-ho Americans or the secretive British come to mind. But, it appears that it is the Indians who are the toughest of them all. This is what a gruelling contest determined last week.
The Israelis were not there, but a team of India’s 10 Special Forces (SF), led by Captain Krishnadas, outshone their counterparts from the US, South Africa, U.K., France, hosts Botswana and a clutch of African nations in the Kalahari desert.
The second Indian team came fifteenth, out of the 28 that participated in the annual event that took place between 8-10 June. In addition, the two teams won a number of individual prizes.
A proud Special Forces officer says this is all the more creditable since the teams, each comprising of an officer, a non-commissioned officer and three paratroopers “were pulled out of active duty and given just two months to prepare.” This is the first time India has been invited to participate in the event. Last year’s competition was won by the South African Special Forces.
The event required a trek of 87 kms over three days with full combat load of 50 kg, all the activity being conducted under the desert sun during the day. The contest was kicked off on June 8 by a paradrop of the teams close to the border with Namibia. The events then progressively moved them east towards the Okavango Delta.
Here the team led by Major Animish Ranade suffered a mishap at the outset when Commando Mool Singh’s parachute did not open and his emergency parachute landed him so hard that he fractured his ankle. Despite the mishap that cost the team points, it won the individual prize in the 35 kms endurance march that followed.
On June 9, Capt Krishandas’s team, scored with the individual prize for the navigation segment where the commandos have to move through 20 kms of trackless desert with just a compass, Ranade’s team stood second. This was topped by a casualty evacuation exercise that required them to carry a 50 kg deadweight, simulating a casualty, for 10 kms. Krishandas’ team stood first and Ranade’s second. On the last day the teams did a 17 kms speed march and Krishandas’ team again scored a first.
The Indians performed well in the other elements of the competition as well. These included a rifle and pistol firing competition, a 400 metre an observation lane exercise requiring them to spot seven targets and a final 5 kms home run that makes the grand finale of the gathering.
A senior officer told TNN that such competitions “which deal with our core business,” are a great boost for the professional elan of the force. India currently has four SF units that have traditionally been asked to do the toughest jobs in the battlefield.
Currently they specialise in counter-terrorist work where using their own intelligence, they operate independently against terrorist concentrations in remote mountain and jungle regions in Kashmir and the Northeast.
 
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rbarry88       4/7/2007 1:27:15 AM
i dont even think that historically modern special forces are as good as historical special forces. alot of historical special forces  were much more successful than modern ones. people like praetorians or ascensi from rome spartans from greece. none have the dedication that they did. but today deffinately the israelis, UK although I think England's current trends diminish their power, what about the swiss gaurd that protect the vatican? trained by the very best the US and many other countries have to offer like the NSA and CIA, those guys are well rounded special forces. US is up there simply because of dedication, technological superiority, and great leadership, the best we have would probably have to be marine recon. after that it all gets cloudy for me. I've heard good things about the swiss believe it or not. The French but IMO theyre a bunch of usueless ... yea anyway. The Germans simply because of limitations still in effect so with small manpower they have to pack alot of punch. Being Irish, the Irish Army Rangers, if they have anything close to the temper that I have when I'm angry I wouldnt put much past them. Spetznav. Italy's COMSUBIN. and lastly i'll have to go with China, although most of their equipment is known to be antiquated USSR era and copies.
 
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