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Subject: mechanized infantry mortar platoon
stinger    3/7/2008 12:21:39 AM
Why are there no mortars at the company level in a mech company? What do you think of adding a mortar section to a mech company, say maybe 2 120mm, or they could carry at least one 60mm per track. I sure don't think 4 tubes per battalion is enough. what do you think?
 
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flamingknives       3/7/2008 12:14:11 PM
Why would you want mortars at company level?

What do you plan on doing with them?
 
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stinger       3/8/2008 12:01:45 AM
when the infantry dismount, its good to have some organic fire support. standard light infantry have it at company level why not the mech. just an idea
 
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stinger       3/8/2008 1:36:42 AM
when the infantry dismount, its good to have some organic fire support. standard light infantry have it at company level why not the mech. just an idea
 
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flamingknives       3/8/2008 4:59:30 AM
Don't Mech Inf have quite alot of organic fire support in the form of The BFV?

Mortars can be quite useful as they can fire into defilade - possibly a commando mortar would be a sensible solution at the platoon level, rather than adding heavier mortars to a company
 
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stinger       3/8/2008 1:54:29 PM
nice pictures!!!!  send more..
 
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stinger       3/8/2008 2:59:05 PM
A stryker company has a mortar section of two stykers, 120mm and 60mm on each vehicle, and that's at company level. they also have four stykers with 120mm and 81mm on each at battalion level.
 
they should also change the make up of the Bradley platoon mtoe so it follows more of a infantry style than an armored style platoon. maybe add 2 more bradley's and have six tracks per platoon. give the guys a little bit more room.
 
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Horsesoldier       3/8/2008 3:49:37 PM

when the infantry dismount, its good to have some organic fire support. standard light infantry have it at company level why not the mech. just an idea



Some of the older guys may be able to clarify, but I think back in the day (70s-80s) mech infantry did have company mortars (81mm) under at least one of the MTOEs in effect back then, with 4.2" tubes in the battalion mortar platoon.
 
In an armored cav troop, we always liked having our own 120mm's on hand, but they we were usually way off on our own, where we would have been outside any footprint a battalion/squadron mortar platoon could provide, and our next step up in fire support was DIVARTY, who may or may not have been well sited to help us also (and who may have been tied up supporting someone else).
 
I sure don't think 4 tubes per battalion is enough. what do you think?
 
It used to be six tubes per battalion mortar platoon.  I think the downgrade in size was to get more slots freed up for infantry and other direct fire types with the current re-org.
 
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13FRET       3/8/2008 11:30:52 PM
yep, the old H-series to&e mech company had a mortar section of 3 81mm's, i believe this was part of the weapons platoon along with 2 TOW vehicles; and the infantry company had the same, only mounted differently.
When Division 86 came (along with M1's and M2's/3's) the TO&E changed to 4 line companies without mortars,, the idea being that maneuver would be too fast and the mortars would be displacing/emplacing more than firing.
The 4 4.2 mortar platoon at battalion was increased to a 6 tube platoon organized for split operations, this was supposed to make up for the lack of company mortars.
this all took place during the mid 80s.

 
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stinger       3/9/2008 3:36:48 AM

how about installing a couple of these on the Bradley chassis they fit. and adding a pair per company.http://www.defense-update.com/images/ams2.jpg" width=400 border=0>

 
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JFKY       3/9/2008 10:51:57 AM
Uh though according to Herald I'm a member of the idiot brigade I might point out, at least in regards to the BFV and the platoon, that Stinger is rather blithely adding two Bradley's to the platoon...at the cost of about 2-3 million per vehicle, so Stinger is adding 50% to the cost of the platoon.  Two BFV/pltn....three pltn/ Coy ( 6 BFV) ....2 Mech Coy. in a CAB ???  so 12 BFV per CAV....24 BFV per Heavy Brigade....10 Heavy Brigade, at least, so 240 BFV in the Army...add 10% for training (SWAG-method) so 264 BFV with mortars at 2.5 million a piece?  So running about $660 million for that idea?
 
Plus you are giving the LEAST experienced officer another weapon.  If you're going to hand out mortars why not add 1 BFV with a 120mm at the COMPANY level?  A little more experienced officer, and the range on the weapon suits the company more than it does a platoon...I suggest the 120mm because it's the battalion weapon and why have two mortar types when one will do?  I'd suggest the 120mm for the medium and heavy units.  A light company can't lug them around so they could stay with the 60mm...
 
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