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Russia: It's 1914 All Over Again
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September 4, 2007: President Vladimir Putin, a former secret police (KGB) officer has given the Russian people what they want. That is, a market economy that actually grows and works, and enough of the old Soviet police state to keep the crime rate down. Putin regularly scores very high in opinion polls, despite state control of most media, and new laws that make it more difficult to oppose the party in power. The new Russian democracy brings with it better security at nuclear power and weapons facilities, and long over-due military reforms. Some fear it will being back the bad-old-days of a full blown police state. But that hasn't happened yet.

 

September 3, 2007: Russia is threatening military action if Kosovo is given its independence from Serbia (a largely Slavic state, and thus under the "protection" of Russia). It was this kind of "big brother of all Slavs" attitude that triggered World War I in 1914. That also involved Serbia. Russia is also unhappy with U.S. efforts to set up anti-missile systems (to protect against Iranian missiles) in Eastern Europe.

 

September 2, 2007:  Three more road mobile Topol-M ICBMs will be deployed before the end of the year. There are already three of them cruising the roads of rural Russia, to avoid a first strike by an enemy missile force (the U.S., France, Britain and China are believed to still have missiles aimed at Russia.)

 

August 31, 2007:  In the Caucasus, a car bomb killed four policemen in Ingushetia. While the violence in neighboring Chechnya is much reduced, it is still there, and has spread to neighboring provinces. It's mostly related to Islamic radicalism, and the banditry that has been prevalent in the region for centuries.

 

August 30, 2007:  A Russian general was dismissed from the military for not carrying out orders to halt the hazing of young soldiers under his command. This abuse of new conscripts (usually men in their first of two years of service) has gone on, and grown worse, since the late 1940s. Several attempts to halt it have failed. This time around, the brass are being told their jobs are on the line if they don't get creative and stop the violence. In this case, a young soldier was beaten to death. Each year, hundreds of young conscripts are killed or maimed in these attacks.

 

August 24, 2007:  For the first time, Indian troops (Special Forces) will train in Russia. The exercises will take place in mid-September. Russian troops participated in similar exercises in India last year. Chinese commandoes are also coming to Russia this year for joint training exercises.

 

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xwing       9/4/2007 10:59:26 AM
"September 3, 2007: Russia is threatening military action if Kosovo is given its independence from Serbia (a largely Slavic state, and thus under the "protection" of Russia). It was this kind of "big brother of all Slavs" attitude that triggered World War I in 1914. That also involved Serbia. Russia is also unhappy with U.S. efforts to set up anti-missile systems (to protect against Iranian missiles) in Eastern Europe."

Well, do you say Russia triggered WW1 because it didn't abandon its ally like western countries abandoned Poland (not to mention Austria and Czechoslovakia) in the next world war? The Central Powers would not stop in Serbia just like the Axis didn't stop in Poland...(or Austria or fortified parts of Czech Republic generously given to Hitler prior to WW2).
Either you write subtle anti-Russian propaganda or you should study history a little more :-)
 
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SAE    The Origins of the First World War   9/4/2007 2:03:58 PM
Uh, back to the origins of World War One issue.
 
Quote: The Central Powers would not stop in Serbia just like the Axis didn't stop in Poland." 
 
I do not agree. Austria was planning a "local" war to punish the country (Serbia) which was formenting unrest in Austria-Hungary and they thought was supporting the terrorists who killed their Crown-Prince. But in this chicken and egg issue,  lets back one more step. There is evidence that Russia was financing the Black Hand (The terrorist group which killed Archduke Ferdinand).. So, yes maybe it was Russia who started the war.
 
 
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tigertony       9/4/2007 5:01:00 PM

"September 3, 2007: Russia
is threatening military action if Kosovo is given its independence from Serbia
(a largely Slavic state, and thus under the "protection" of Russia).
It was this kind of "big brother of all Slavs" attitude that
triggered World War I in 1914. That also involved Serbia. Russia is also
unhappy with U.S. efforts to set up anti-missile systems (to protect against
Iranian missiles) in Eastern Europe."

 "Well, do you say Russia triggered WW1 because it didn't abandon its ally like western countries abandoned Poland (not to mention Austria and Czechoslovakia) in the next world war? The Central Powers would not stop in Serbia just like the Axis didn't stop in Poland...(or Austria or fortified parts of Czech Republic generously given to Hitler prior to WW2).
Either you write subtle anti-Russian propaganda or you should study history a little more :-)"



  Well now the person who wrote this response above forgot something?  Stalin and Hitler both carved up Poland together!. Well funny because i dont remember US Army carving up Poland like a turkey with any of them!. But i sure do remember Russia carving up those Hungarians!. Yes, and they helped themselves to all of Eastern Europe, and served it on a Russian plate!
  And while Hitler still hoped for a German/English Alliance vs Russia,Stalin still hoped to crush Hitler and England. But only after Germany,England,and France "Smashed eachother to rubble!". Oh, and if i recall, Stalin knew that Imperial  Japan was going to attack the USA,and not Russia!. And England would rather tradeaway land "They do not own" for peace "They would not find!"
 
 Now whats this say for any of these Germany,England,France,Italy,or Russia?
 
  Well lets see here: WW1,WW2, Hitler,100 Years War,Napoleon,Caesar,and Stalin!. The list just go's on and on,lol!

 Now what Anti -Russian propaganda did i use?
 
                                                                          tigertony
 
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xwing       9/4/2007 8:08:49 PM



"September 3, 2007: Russia
is threatening military action if Kosovo is given its independence from Serbia
(a largely Slavic state, and thus under the "protection" of Russia).
It was this kind of "big brother of all Slavs" attitude that
triggered World War I in 1914. That also involved Serbia. Russia is also
unhappy with U.S. efforts to set up anti-missile systems (to protect against
Iranian missiles) in Eastern Europe."

 "Well, do you say Russia triggered WW1 because it didn't abandon its ally like western countries abandoned Poland (not to mention Austria and Czechoslovakia) in the next world war? The Central Powers would not stop in Serbia just like the Axis didn't stop in Poland...(or Austria or fortified parts of Czech Republic generously given to Hitler prior to WW2).
Either you write subtle anti-Russian propaganda or you should study history a little more :-)"




  Well now the person who wrote this response above forgot something?  Stalin and Hitler both carved up Poland together!. Well funny because i dont remember US Army carving up Poland like a turkey with any of them!. But i sure do remember Russia carving up those Hungarians!. Yes, and they helped themselves to all of Eastern Europe, and served it on a Russian plate!

Hungary is a little south from Poland (Slovakia is between them) and I don't remember about Russia "carving" it in any way. Yes Stalin divided Poland with Hitler, but did I say he didn't?

  And while Hitler still hoped for a German/English Alliance vs Russia,Stalin still hoped to crush Hitler and England. But only after Germany,England,and France "Smashed eachother to rubble!". Oh, and if i recall, Stalin knew that Imperial  Japan was going to attack the USA,and not Russia!. And England would rather tradeaway land "They do not own" for peace "They would not find!"

 

 Now whats this say for any of these Germany,England,France,Italy,or Russia?

 

  Well lets see here: WW1,WW2, Hitler,100 Years War,Napoleon,Caesar,and Stalin!. The list just go's on and on,lol!

And what did you mean with that list? Please explain. 

Now what Anti -Russian propaganda did i use?

 

                                                                          tigertony


OK calm down and think before you post. I was saying that I think Russia didn't trigger WW1 and you discuss Stalin :) The analogy was that Russia didn't just trade foreign countries for peace in WW1 like England and France in WW2.
 
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xwing       9/4/2007 10:04:18 PM

Uh, back to the origins of World War One issue.

 

Quote: The Central Powers would not stop in Serbia just like the Axis didn't stop in Poland." 

 

I do not agree. Austria was planning a "local" war to punish the country (Serbia) which was formenting unrest in Austria-Hungary and they thought was supporting the terrorists who killed their Crown-Prince. But in this chicken and egg issue,  lets back one more step. There is evidence that Russia was financing the Black Hand (The terrorist group which killed Archduke Ferdinand).. So, yes maybe it was Russia who started the war.

 


When you put it this way, maybe you're right (if the evidence isn't false), but it's still chicken and egg game (you can go deeper to roots of unrest in Hungarian part of monarchy - oppresion of non-hungarians in past decades and the idea of Croat and Serb nationhood...)

"The Secret Treaty of 1892 required both Russia and France to mobilize immediately followed by a commencement of action against the Triplice if any member of the Triplice mobilized."
Taken from wiki.

And about local war: The whole continent was like a barrel of gunpowder just waiting for a spark. How could they plan local war under such conditions?
 
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bad mood       9/5/2007 6:02:59 PM
If the  Russia and the USA are to replay 1914 it would be a totally needless disaster brought on by blind resentment on one side and a total lack of imagination on the other.    Washington and Moscow should stop and think a moment; they might see that they have common interests and common enemies.  They might even see the advantages of an "understanding" that would in effect turn the northern hemisphere into a belt of mutal prospertity and security.  Energy, natural resources, wealth, overwhelming military power, Russia-US inc could have it all.  I like this story much better than 1914 II, don't you?

And to blow it arguing over some sh@thole like Kosovo?  No thanks.  Besides, if the Russians are against the establishment of a moslem terrorist state in Europe, then I'm with the Russians.  
 
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xwing       9/6/2007 5:38:38 AM

If the  Russia and the USA are to replay 1914 it would be a totally needless disaster brought on by blind resentment on one side and a total lack of imagination on the other.    Washington and Moscow should stop and think a moment; they might see that they have common interests and common enemies.  They might even see the advantages of an "understanding" that would in effect turn the northern hemisphere into a belt of mutal prospertity and security.  Energy, natural resources, wealth, overwhelming military power, Russia-US inc could have it all.  I like this story much better than 1914 II, don't you?

And to blow it arguing over some sh@thole like Kosovo?  No thanks.  Besides, if the Russians are against the establishment of a moslem terrorist state in Europe, then I'm with the Russians.  

I couldn't agree more with you
 
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