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Feeble, Ineffective And Pathetic

July 25, 2009: North Korea is believed to generate several billion dollars a year selling weapons and related technology. Given that the North Korean GDP is only about $26 billion, this arms trade is vital to keeping the dictatorship afloat. No wonder the North Korean have refused all demands, and bribes, to shut it down. One thing the northern leadership can agree on is the need to continue developing longer range ballistic missiles, and nuclear weapons. Not only do these weapons provide the ability to extort aid from nervous neighbors, but sales of this technology is the major source of foreign currency. That cash is essential, to buy the consumer and luxury goods that keep the ruling elite happy. Although, at this point, the few percent of the population that runs the country are beginning to worry more about basic survival, rather than getting a new iPod or flat screen TV. But these fears are not widespread enough to cause any changes in policy.

The latest rumor out of North Korea indicates that leader Kim Jong Il has pancreatic cancer, a form of the disease that moves fast and is usually fatal. Recent pictures of Kim Jong Il show a sick man who does not appear to be getting better. All indications are that no one is really in charge up there, and some of the several factions (military, party, pro-China, nationalist, pro-market economy) are trying to form a ruling coalition. The leadership can agree on one thing; North Korea is changing, despite efforts by the security forces to halt this unwelcome process. But the outside world is getting in. News, of what is happening inside North Korea, as well as from outside, is now circulating inside the country. Illegal cell phones and radios are more common, because people have more money, are bolder, and know that they can often bribe their way out of trouble if caught. Government attempts to crack down on the spreading corruption have failed, and that means the "end is in sight," for a police state.

The leadership cannot agree on how to cope with the coming end game. With leader Kim Jong Il dying, there is agreement on his successor. But that presents problems, as the agreed-on heir is the youngest son, 26 year old Kim Jong Un, an up and coming government official, but not a major player in the senior leadership. That means a council will have to rule, until Kin Jong Un is influential enough to run things, assuming there's anything left to run. Some senior officials are making escape plans, gathering portable wealth and cultivating connections in China that would be useful for a getaway. There is a growing consensus that Kim Jong Il will be gone within three years, and that after that, chaos.

The government is trying to regain control of the population by going after obvious signs of dissent. Thus it has been decided that urban women wearing pants are a bad things, and that women should stick to skirts. So groups of women from Communist Party women's organizations prowl the streets during rush hour searching for suitable victims to be harassed and made an example of. This is more annoying than intimidating. The women in pants often talk back, and there have been some tense confrontations in public, over the issue. This sort of thing backfires, as people see that the government is growing more feeble, ineffective and pathetic. The most glaring example of this was how everyone ignored last Novembers order that all legal markets convert to selling nothing but agricultural products. This was widely, and rather visibly ignored.

South Koreans are growing increasingly anxious at the difficulties North Korean refugees are having in adapting to life in a prosperous democracy. There are over 17,000 refugees in South Korea now, and the children do not do well at school. Few get into a university. The adults do poorly in establishing prosperous careers. These refugees are among the most enterprising North Koreans, because of the planning they had to do, and risks they had to take, to get out of the country. But these people are obsessed with basic survival, not personal improvement and advancement, as in South Korea, and the rest of the world. Sixty years of police state rule up north, plus the 1990s famine,  has seriously crippled the initiative and ambition of the northerners. It appears that the North Koreans are much more psychologically damaged, than were the East Germans (and east Europeans in general) after their communist dictatorships collapsed in 1989. This just makes South Korea, and China, even more anxious about a collapse of the North Korean government, while would leave China and South Korea to deal with refugees, and picking up the pieces in general.

July 16, 2009: The UN has imposed new sanctions on North Korea, in response to continued North Korean work on nuclear weapons. This time, five people and five companies were sanctioned, making it difficult for the five people to travel abroad, and for the five companies to do business outside North Korea.

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Chris       7/25/2009 11:56:17 AM
This article corresponds nicely with studies made by the S. Koreans years ago during the years of the "sunshine policy", which favored reunification of the two Koreas.  The S. Koreans looked into the costs of reunification using E/W Germany as a basis, and quickly concluded that the mismanagement of the N. Korean state was so bad that they made the Soviets/E. Germans look like economic geniuses.  The costs (financial, socialogically, etc) were calculated to be so astronomical that it made E/W Germany look dirt cheap.  At least the E. German people were educated and could hold real jobs and otherwise be retrained without too much difficulty.
 
But the problems were discovered very quickly to be so extreme that even the most jaded pro-unification folks in S. Korea were stunned into almost total silence.  Hence - the reunification talk ceased immediately, and now everyone would prefer that the N. Koreans fix their own mess.
 
The prospects of which aren't too likely though...
 
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Photon       7/25/2009 3:59:51 PM
I think it is only a matter of time before North Korea goes kaput, one way or the other.  The problem with this troublesome country is that just about everything in there have been specifically built for the survival of moronic 'Kim Dynasty' & pathetic 'Korean Worker's Party'.  That alone has been the 'mission statement' of North Korea.  There are no other 'mission statement'.  Instead, if we treat North Korea as just another 'normal' country, then we keep on failing to understand just what the hell this piece of sphincter is up to.  (I think that was the underlying fatal flaw of the 'Sunshine Policy'.)
 
Off-topic:  Hey, Americans!  Take note of North Korea.  Do you now see what happens when you fail to fight a war in such a way to fight until one side is finished?  How many millions of (North) Koreans are in the pile of utter crap, because that 'unknown war' was not allowed to conclude?  Utter shock and ruthlessness today = less lives in the pits tomorrow.
 
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ker    Hot Potato   7/25/2009 4:55:13 PM

This article corresponds nicely with studies made by the S. Koreans years ago during the years of the "sunshine policy", which favored reunification of the two Koreas.  The S. Koreans looked into the costs of reunification using E/W Germany as a basis, and quickly concluded that the mismanagement of the N. Korean state was so bad that they made the Soviets/E. Germans look like economic geniuses.  The costs (financial, socialogically, etc) were calculated to be so astronomical that it made E/W Germany look dirt cheap.  At least the E. German people were educated and could hold real jobs and otherwise be retrained without too much difficulty.

 

But the problems were discovered very quickly to be so extreme that even the most jaded pro-unification folks in S. Korea were stunned into almost total silence.  Hence - the reunification talk ceased immediately, and now everyone would prefer that the N. Koreans fix their own mess.

 

The prospects of which aren't too likely though...

I agree with you Chris.  I would add one more point.  The South isn't waiting for the North to Un-wreck it's self.  The South is waiting for more North Koreans to die.  The most realistic way to reduce the cost of reorganizine the North is to let the North reduce it's own population as much as posible first.  South is also kicking the can down the road because the colapse may not happen until a few more South Korean politicians are in honorable retirement. The people who are one or two years from pention can be oppinion shapers.  Don't abandon the ilusion of normalcy on my watch.  I have enough work to do playing makebelive.


 
 
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Gerry       7/25/2009 8:18:34 PM
North Korea is decaying from the inside and kicking the can down the road ten more years because everyone is afraid of what will happen, eventually will happen anyway. The time to put an end to business as usual in North Korea is now. Its not going to get any better or easier in the future, only worse.
 
The key players are Russia, China, and South Korea, and the UN. China and Russia need to close their doors completely and let the regime collapse. South Korea will have to cope with a possible attack of desparation from the north. The US and UN can help greatly here. The country and its people should be contained, a new (perhaps transitional) government installed, and trading resumed along with massive food donations, inspections and a new set of rules and laws. Retraining of the military and police, as well as disassembling the security apparatus as well as revamping the prison and legal system will be of paramount importance. Borders will need to be strictly maintained until the north becomes well again. (perhaps 5-10-15years). At that time border restriction can be relaxed and normal commerce can commence.
 
If the inevitable implosion of North Korea is not contained, it will explode to the detrimental effect of all concerned., and it will not be pretty if it does.
 
However, having said that, I believe politicians are not capable of doing what needs to be done, and will just wait until the inevitable happens.
 
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Dave_in_Pa       7/26/2009 10:36:56 AM
Photon, regarding your second paragraph, does that mean that you agree with Gen. Douglas MacArthur's assessment that the Korean War should have been greatly escalated in order to win? That the war should have been taken into China, at least with massive aerial and naval attacks AND the use of tactical nuclear weapons to destroy the Chinese Army in Korea, the Korea-China bridges over the Yalu and other targets in China in order to destroy the Chinese logistical network?
 
That was the only realistic alternative to the limited conventional campaign choice made by the UN-sanctioned US/S. Korean/Allied forces fighting the Soviet/Chinese and N. Korean Communist enemy who invaded S. Korea and started the war.
 
Or do you have a detailed third option that you'd care to share with us?
 
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cwDeici       7/27/2009 6:10:13 AM

Photon, regarding your second paragraph, does that mean that you agree with Gen. Douglas MacArthur's assessment that the Korean War should have been greatly escalated in order to win? That the war should have been taken into China, at least with massive aerial and naval attacks AND the use of tactical nuclear weapons to destroy the Chinese Army in Korea, the Korea-China bridges over the Yalu and other targets in China in order to destroy the Chinese logistical network?

 

That was the only realistic alternative to the limited conventional campaign choice made by the UN-sanctioned US/S. Korean/Allied forces fighting the Soviet/Chinese and N. Korean Communist enemy who invaded S. Korea and started the war.

 

Or do you have a detailed third option that you'd care to share with us?



 
The war could've been won conventionally if the US had put its full force behind it, even without using tactical nukes. Even without tactical nukes the fall of Beijin would be possible, though it'd be much easier with them.
 
And yes, occupying China might have resulted in a western-friendly democracy, though it would probably be less economically efficient as a result, but the added time would probably make up for it.
 
= profit
 
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Photon       7/27/2009 8:47:16 PM
My rant on the America's inability to fight a war to conclusion was mostly just ranting.  However, I think settling for an armistice have pretty much resulted in strengthening Korean and Chinese communists for all practical purposes.  Even though their losses far exceeded that of the US, South Korea and their allies.  Also, the early '50s was the only brief window of time in which the US could have nuclear-bombed anyone with impunity.  (Russians were still several years away from coming up with dependable means of delivery, and it was not until the latter half of the 60s they actually began to have a large nuke inventory. 
 
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WarNerd       7/30/2009 2:44:33 AM


Photon, regarding your second paragraph, does that mean that you agree with Gen. Douglas MacArthur's assessment that the Korean War should have been greatly escalated in order to win? That the war should have been taken into China, at least with massive aerial and naval attacks AND the use of tactical nuclear weapons to destroy the Chinese Army in Korea, the Korea-China bridges over the Yalu and other targets in China in order to destroy the Chinese logistical network?

That was the only realistic alternative to the limited conventional campaign choice made by the UN-sanctioned US/S. Korean/Allied forces fighting the Soviet/Chinese and N. Korean Communist enemy who invaded S. Korea and started the war.

Or do you have a detailed third option that you'd care to share with us?

The war could've been won conventionally if the US had put its full force behind it, even without using tactical nukes. Even without tactical nukes the fall of Beijin would be possible, though it'd be much easier with them.

And yes, occupying China might have resulted in a western-friendly democracy, though it would probably be less economically efficient as a result, but the added time would probably make up for it.

= profit


No.
 
It would have required total mobilization of the US and it's allies on a par with WWII, but without events that unified the public will to support it.  It was not going to happen.
 
Beijing is not a panacea target, but would probably have been the Chinese of Stalingrad, defended not because they wanted to keep it, but because we were foolish enough to try and take it in a fight that neutralizes all our advantages in weapons and artillery.  Mao's instinct (correctly) would be to disperse and wage a guerrilla war similar to the one waged against the Japanese, and Russia would be happy to supply them with all the weapons they could spare.  If we won it would probably take 6 to 10 years(!), and that is IF we could sustain the war that long.
 
As for using nuclear weapons, the fact that Truman sacked MacArthur when he insisted on using them undoubtedly did much to fix the idea in peoples minds that nuclear weapons were 'different', and not something you used just because they were handy.  Without that perception, we would probably have a couple of nuclear wars under our belts by now, if we were still alive.
 
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