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June 26, 2011: The Pakistani Army is uncomfortable about recent scrutiny of its operations in the tribal territories. Since bin Laden's death in early May, journalists have ignored decades of threats and intimidation and reported embarrassing aspects of military life. This includes years of support for Sunni religious radicals (Taliban, al Qaeda and many others). These radicals have long terrorized non-Sunni Moslems, and non-Moslems in general. The government always deplores this violence, but in the tribal territories, the army has openly taken sides against the non-Sunni tribes (which are often most willing to fight al Qaeda and the Taliban).

The U.S. has revealed that cell phones captured in the bin Laden raid showed calls to Islamic terror groups (like Harakat-ul-Mujahideen) with known connections to the Pakistani Army. American intelligence has long had evidence of such connections, but has kept the details secret because it would reveal sources and methods of how terrorist (and Pakistani Army) communications were monitored.   Bin Laden's documents also revealed that al Qaeda has suffered a sharp drop in popularity, and donations, in the last few years. To cope with the money shortage, bin Laden has quietly encouraged the use of kidnapping to raise money. He cautioned his followers to be careful who they kidnapped, lest their few remaining allies be angered. But the al Qaeda kidnapping was unpopular anyway.

Recently arrested (for pro-Islamic radical activities) general Khan's attitudes are shared by many Pakistanis. A recent poll showed that  only 37 percent of all Pakistanis supported using the army to fight Islamic radicals. Two years ago, it was 53 percent, but that was mainly because the Taliban were staging a lot of terror attacks outside the tribal territories back then. Today, only 12 percent of Pakistanis have a positive view of the United States. These attitudes are common within the Islamic world, and reflect ideas promoted by the dictators and aristocrats that run most of these nations. The West is portrayed in the media as the enemy, which focuses the people's attention on that. Dictators have known for thousands of years, that this sort of thing distracts people from paying too much attention to the real cause of all their problems.

The reality of the situation in Pakistan, however, is spreading to more and more Pakistanis. For example, despite the dismal record of the Pakistani Army in combat, Pakistani generals are, on average, much wealthier than their Indian counterparts (who have been much more successful in battle). Even without illegal income from corruption, Pakistani generals are paid more, legally, than their Indian counterparts. While there is corruption in the Indian military, those activities are under constant attack. The Pakistani military have stolen government funds on a much larger scale, but have made it much more dangerous for anyone inside Pakistan to complain about it. The military denies any complicity in the deaths of journalists, or threats made against others, but now the details of this terror campaign against the media are coming out. In effect, the Pakistani military has been running a scam for decades, and now it is beginning to unravel. This could degenerate into a chaotic civil war. The main factions would be the military (which is, after all, an outfit with lots of wealth it wants to hang on to), democratic reformers, Islamic reformers, and various tribal and local strongmen. The army has long justified its corruption, wealth and periodic government takeovers, because of the need to maintain the unity and power of the Pakistani state. But with the revelations that the military fueled corruption has been largely responsible for the poverty and weakness of Pakistan, the army gets much less respect, and obedience, than it did in the past. The decades of deception could end very badly.

Pakistani troops are still fighting Islamic militants in the tribal territories, just not the ones who are most active across the border in Afghanistan. On the Pakistani side, troops are fighting the Pakistani Taliban, and any other Islamic militants still dedicated to carrying out terror attacks inside Pakistan, especially assassination efforts against army leaders.

June 25, 2011: Indian and Pakistani diplomats concluded two days of discussions in Pakistan. Everyone agreed that controlling nuclear weapons and suppressing terrorism were vital issues for both countries. Vague promises were made, and, very diplomatically, no mention was made of the pro-terrorist activities of the Pakistani intelligence services and military.

In Iran, Pakistani, Iranian and Afghan diplomats met and agreed to cooperate in the battle against Sunni Islamic terrorists (al Qaeda and the Taliban, plus the many Pakistani based terror groups). Another major target is the opium and heroin producing operations in southwest Afghanistan. These gangs cause enormous problems in all three countries, by making it possible for over seven million people to become drug addicts. Iran hosted the meeting in part to promote itself as a better ally for Afghanistan and Pakistan than the United States. In the past, Iranian empires had controlled most of western Afghanistan. While Iran has fans in Afghanistan and Pakistan, there is still fear that Iran, despite being a religious dictatorship now, will revert back to its old imperial ways.

In Pakistan's tribal territories, a married couple attacked a police station. Sixteen people (including the suicide bomber couple and four other attackers) were killed. This was the first Taliban use of a female suicide bomber.  

In Pakistan's largest city, Karachi, ethic/political/religious violence flared up again in the past few days, leaving at least 20 dead. Police and army reinforcements were brought in last month to calm the city, after such violence killed and wounded hundreds.

June 24, 2011: In eastern India, police arrested a local Maoist leader. A tip from locals made the arrest possible. Especially in urban areas, the Maoists are seen as just another criminal gang.

June 22, 2011:  After going through the motions of expelling many American CIA operatives, Pakistan has issued as many, if not more, visas for American personnel to replace those expelled.

June 21, 2011: The Pakistani Army revealed that, on May 6th, it had arrested an outspoken Brigadier General (Ali Khan), and accused him of working with Islamic radical groups. What Ali Khan was really arrested for was his anti-Americanism and enthusiasm for installing a religious dictatorship to solve problems with corruption that, he believed, prevented Pakistan from reaching its potential. He saw aid from the United States as a drug, that gave Pakistan a false sense of power. According to Kahn, only Islam can deliver real power. Khan had been increasingly outspoken about this in the last year. He had grown a beard, and spoke and wrote to his fellow generals on the subject with increasing frequency. The May 2nd raid that killed bin Laden, and embarrassed the Pakistani military, sent Ali Khan into high gear. It is believed that the army revealed Kahn's arrest to deflect media attention from the arrests of those Pakistanis who had helped the CIA in pinpointing bin Laden's location. Other recent arrests of military personnel have received little coverage outside Pakistan. These involve the roundup of those current and former members of the armed forces who aided Islamic radicals in their attack on a naval base on May 30th. This was as embarrassing as the May 2nd raid. As in many past cases (usually involving attacks against generals and politicians), the Islamic terrorists had help from military personnel with Islamic radical tendencies. Some of these men had been expelled from the military because of it, but others had kept their heads down. Men like this are increasingly being sought out, and discharged.

For a decade, Ali Khan's outspoken hostility towards America and the West had kept him from being promoted. But Khan was an otherwise excellent officer, and had many friends among the generals. However, after May 2nd, Khan's anti-American attitudes became dangerous to many generals. Khan was, in effect, calling for mutiny. So now Khan, and several of his more obvious supporters, were under arrest.

June 20, 2011: In the tribal territories, U.S. UAVs made two missile attacks, killing 12 people. Meanwhile, Islamic terrorists near Peshawar (the largest city in the tribal territories) kidnapped a 9 year old girl and forced her to wear a bomb vest (that could be detonated by remote control). The girls refused to cooperate and escaped to the police before the vest could be detonated.

Elsewhere in the tribal territories, some 80 Taliban attacked the fortified compounds of two anti-Taliban tribal leaders. Four people died and six were wounded before the attackers were forced to withdraw.

June 18, 2011: Once more, pro-terrorist members of the Pakistani army and intelligence services tipped off the Taliban, after the U.S. supplied locations of two Taliban bomb-making factories, which the Pakistanis said they would raid. But U.S. UAVs recorded the Taliban emptying the bomb workshops and driving away, between the time the Pakistanis were given the location info, and the raid was to have taken place. This is the second time the Pakistanis have passed the trustworthiness test lately. The Pakistanis insist that they have no leaks, and that the Americans must be setting them up.

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bikebrains       6/26/2011 10:03:10 AM
For more information on the subject of the Pakistani Army see:
Note:  1.  Source: the Onion.
           2.  Date of June 9.
           3.  Title: Pakistani Intelligence Announces Its Full Cooperation
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sanman    Pashtun Issue is the Root of Kashmir, 911 and Afghan Regional Conflicts    6/26/2011 11:12:42 AM

Pashtun Issue is the Root of Kashmir, 911 and Afghan Regional Conflicts

In 1839, the British Empire sought to expand the borders of its colony of British India, by launching a war of conquest against the neighboring Pashtuns. The Pashtuns, as a fiercely independent tribal warrior people, resisted ferociously, so that the British conquest of them was not successful. The British were only able to conquer part of the Pashtun territory, and even that remained in constant rebellion against them. Meanwhile, the remaining unconquered portion of Pashtun territory became the nucleus for the formation of Afghanistan. In 1893, the British imposed a ceasefire line on the Afghans called the Durand Line, which separated British-controlled territory from Afghan territory. The local people on the ground however never recognized this line, which merely existed on a map, and not on the ground.

In 1947, when the colony of British India achieved independence and was simultaneously partitioned into Pakistan and India, the Pakistanis wanted the conquered Pashtun territory to go to them, since the Pashtuns were Muslims. Given that the Pashtuns never recognized British authority over them to begin with, the Pakistanis had tenuous relations with the Pashtuns and were consumed by fears of Pashtun secession.

When Pakistan applied to join the UN in 1947, there was only one country which voted against it. No, it wasn't India - it was Pashtun-ruled Afghanistan which voted against Pakistan's admission, on the grounds that Pakistan was in illegal occupation of Pashtun lands stolen by the British. Their vote was cast on September 30, 1947 and is a fact.

In 1948, in the nearby state of Kashmir, its Hindu princely ruler and Muslim political leader joined hands in deciding to make Kashmir an independent country rather than joining either Pakistan or India. Pakistan's leadership were immediately terrified of this precedent, fearing that the Pashtuns would soon follow suit and also declare their own ethnically independent state. In order to pre-empt that and prevent it from happening, Pakistan's founder and leader Mohammad Ali Jinnah quickly decided to raise the cry of "Hindu treachery against the Muslims" and despatched hordes of armed Pashtun tribesmen to attack Kashmir. This was his way of distracting the Pashtuns from their own ethnic nationalism by diverting them into war against Kashmir "to save Islam". These are the same Pashtun tribesman whose descendants are today's Taliban. Fleeing the unprovoked invasion of their homeland, Kashmir's Hindu prince and Muslim political leader went to India, pledging to merge with it if India would help repel the invasion. India agreed, and sent its army to repel the Pashtun invasion. Pakistan then sent its army to clash with Indian forces, and the result was Indo-Pakistani conflict, which has lasted for decades.

Pakistan's fear of Pashtun nationalism and separatism, which it fears can break up Pakistan, is thus the root of the Indo-Pakistani conflict over Kashmir and also the root of Pak conflict with Afghanistan, not any alleged Indian takeover of Kabul. This is all due to the legacy of 1839, which happened long before Pakistan was even created.

When a communist revolution happened in Kabul in the late 70s, Pakistan's fear of potential spillover effects on Pashtun nationalism caused Pakistan to embark on fomenting a guerrilla war against Kabul that led to Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Aligned with with the USA, Pakistan then proceeded to arm the Pashtuns while indoctrinating them with Islamic fanaticism. The USA was not allowed any ground role, and was told it could only supply arms and funds to Pakistan, which would take care of the rest. Pakistan then simultaneously embarked on destabilization of India by fomenting insurgency there.

After the Soviets withdrew, Pakistan again feared that the well-armed Pashtuns would turn on it and pursue secession. So Pakistan then created the Taliban as a new umbrella movement for the fractious factional guerrilla groups under an ultra-fundamentalist ideology. Bin Laden's AlQaeda then became cosy with Taliban, and the result was 9-11.

When the 9-11 attacks occurred, the cornered Pakistanis then did a 180 and promised to help the US defeat the Taliban and bring the terrorists to justice. Meanwhile they were racking their brains hoping to come up with a way to undermine the War on Terror from within. Now that they have succeeded in doing that, and in bleeding US/NATO forces, they hope to jump horses by kicking the US out and aligning with China.

Because of Pakistan's attempts to illegitimately hang onto Pashtun land, it has brought itself into conflicts with so many countries - first against its neighbors and then against more di
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newjarheaddean    WAGing again   6/26/2011 12:33:36 PM
Yes the plural spelling finely (like Harakat-ul-Mujahideen) after weeks of every article I saw in western media using the (din) ending. 
IMO this is an example of my earlier WAG on why the U.S. chose "al-queda" as the call sign for what was imo a "Straw-man" operation i.e. excuse (imo no such organization ever existed) to wage the GWOT. Which of course is actually a war on the old KGB.
And that reason was? why al-queda was the call sign for the operation to deliver stinger missiles to Pakistan "the base" to defeat the USSR.  Me of course believing that CIS/KGB was behind 9-11 thus the message behind the call sign, i.e. we know it was you CIS?KGB i.e. Putin's boys.
Now here we have the traditional call sign spelling of Mujahideen combined with all the supposed, intel from the UBL files, imo the old ISI covert ops agents now understand that the U.S. is not concerned with revealing sources or pointing fingers, as the article suggest was the reason behind not revealing such intel in the past.
And imo combined with wekileaks another disinformation campaign imo, the propaganda machine is in full swing and the sheephood well eat it up.
Example can you imagine UBL having access so much intel on individuals or support from groups that is suggested, yet never mentioned any specifics to any attacks on any videos, in the last 10 years. Pretty surprising for an egotistical maniac.
Like I said from the beginning, UBL was a hostage of Omar's and the U.S. was trying to rescue him at Tora Bora and in Pakistan raid. Recall the video of UBL and Aymen surrounded by all the woodlen commofluge boys, with bombs dropping on the hills in the back ground. The image of the bombs in the back ground was only visible after the media finally stared showing the video from a normal focus i.e. its original focus, years after it had first been made public and only shown with the zoom in on UBL and Aymen. 
"I well bet my lucky star" IKYG
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newjarheaddean    WAGing again   6/26/2011 12:52:50 PM
So to summarize, there never was a bomber gap, missile gap or Al-queda and the super powers never air each others dirty laundry in public.
War, it's the economy stupid.
"I well bet my lucky star" IKYG
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trenchsol       6/27/2011 5:55:40 AM
People who post on this forum, and live in USA, are, in general, fed up with Pakistan. I guess a broader statement is also true, i.e. majority of US population who are familiar with foreign policy are also fed up with Pakistan. Many US politicians issued negative comments about Pakistan. In the same time, Pakistan is  a recipient of US military aid. Why ? Because of War on Terrorism.
So what is the conclusion ? No terrorism, no aid. So, what Pakistani politicians do ? They both, support and fight terrorist, in the same time. Yes, it is more complicated than that, but it explains some things.
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newjarheaddean       6/28/2011 9:27:36 AM
A popular Pashtun saying, "Revenge is a dish best served cold" 
Remember the character Khan in that "star trek" movie "Wrath of Khan". I'm sure that the scene where Khan uses that old saying and the resent comparisons of Karzai and the Khan character on SNL are just coincidences. However the Taliban bookthumpers did receive lots of U.S. 100.00 dollar bills.
I read one time it was the big oil and gas mafias that wonted to get the pipelines threw the various tribal lands that was the reason for wonting a single government like we have in Saudi Arabia.
sanman quote;
 After the Soviets withdrew, Pakistan again feared that the well-armed Pashtuns would turn on it and pursue secession. So Pakistan then created the Taliban as a new umbrella movement for the fractious factional guerrilla groups under an ultra-fundamentalist ideology. Bin Laden's AlQaeda then became cosy with Taliban, and the result was 9-11.
Newjarheaddean; you see here your just repeating the western lines. I mean according to this everyone left Afghanistan and the great pashtuns came to power, all was well, until Uncle Sams Arab man in Afghanistan came to diner.
And you think UBL just figured he would turn his back on his old Mujahideen brothers and join the new drug dealing biker gang in town, that was supported by the Saudis and the west. And he would still have face? 
"I well bet mu lucky star" IKYG
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newjarheaddean       6/28/2011 9:30:22 AM
I forgot sanman, I bet you think the Taliban is the old Mujahideen don't you? 
"I well bet my lucky star" IKYG
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newjarheaddean       6/29/2011 8:33:21 AM
That quoted saying  "Revenge is a dish best served cold"    is located just after that section titled...
Pahtunwali and tribalism 
"I well bet my lucky star" IKYG
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sanman       7/2/2011 1:29:32 PM
newjarheaddean wrote:
"I forgot sanman, I bet you think the Taliban is the old Mujahideen don't you?"
No - no I don't - not at all. Why would you assume that I did? You think everybody's a gringo tourist like you?
Following the Soviet withdrawal, the Pakistanis let their stooge Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and his Hezb-i-Islami stay in control of much of the Pashtun Afghan south, along with various other warlords. In the early 1990s, when Pakistan tried to get Hekmatyar to formally recognize the Durand Line as the official Afghan-Pak "border", he refused, to their dismay.
That's when the Pakistanis realized they had to get newer, more obedient stooges and come up with a totally new gameplan, or else risk an inevitable Pashtun reconsolidation against Islamabad, which could endanger Pakistan's territorial integrity. This is where Pakistan's interior ministry, army and ISI came up with a new "solution" - the Taliban.
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