Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans

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Cato RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans...Mex101 1/23/2006 4:50:45 PM

My Spanish sucks, so I'll just do it in English. The U.N.=the inmates have taken over the assylum. Think it over, Cato

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 1/23/2006 8:04:08 PM

Being a social progressive in the US and a "red headed commie tree hugging lefty terrorist lover baby killer business hater" on this board my condemnation of the UN should have a little more weight. The UN is a majority run body and the majority of the people on it are relatives or friends of military juntas or "el-presidentes for life" in Latin America, Asia and Africa who support programs that put money and food into their pockets and the pockets of their loyal thug armies. Alot of food and money for africa doesn't make it to the people that need it. The UN did nothing until after the Rawanda and Uganda massacres were finished. If NK is under a trade embargo then how does their leadership have such a nice, international lifestyle? The UN couldn't help but be for the first invasion of Iraq. How long did it take to act on the Balkans? And it was mostly the US and western Europe that did the job in the end. Then there is the security council, it needs to have about 6 or 7 new permanent members or be dismembered.

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FJV RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 1/24/2006 12:34:16 PM

Errrrr you might wanna look more closely and honestly at the history of those events you cite. Especially if look honestly, then you will see a lot of things you don't like. You need to look beyond just the surface. It's not always the UN's fault. Often the UN fails, because some people want/expect the UN to be something it isn't. It's also that people expect things done in wars by the UN that are simply impossible. Being Dutch 1 example I can give you is the fact that Dutchbat got shafted during the fall of Srebrenica when UN air support was denied. The result is called the largest massacre of civilians in Europe after WW2. I regard the UN as a bureaucracy that has limited uses (a tool for diplomacy). I don't see the UN as some legit world govt. PS In my opinion Africa is way to huge and divers to make blanket statements like "the poor Africans". For instance a statement that is true for Zimbabwe would be false for Morroco.

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Mex101 RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 1/24/2006 4:29:10 PM

"PS In my opinion Africa is way to huge and divers to make blanket statements like "the poor Africans". For instance a statement that is true for Zimbabwe would be false for Morroco. " Its just a title The Vetos keep the UN security cuncil from acting, Its not ment to be a World Gov. its like a town meeting were people come and agree on things Give me the Number of Latin american Dectatorships and Cummies and cumpaore it to Democraceis. Latin Amercia is mainly Democratic. They usealy support the US when they are not mad at the US. I believe that the UN needs a Reform like the US did with the Articles of Confederation. Most of the damige to the UN was done by USSR,US disagrements that distableized the UN from the Start. and I don't know of anything that overrides the Security cuncil, That is one of the flaws that I see. My answer is to change it not dissolve it.

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 1/24/2006 10:30:18 PM

"The Vetos keep the UN security cuncil from acting, Its not ment to be a World Gov. its like a town meeting were people come and agree on things" That's kind of in line with the current administration's thinking. The world considers the UN a world gov't or town hall when it's politically convenient. "Latin Amercia is mainly Democratic. They usealy support the US when they are not mad at the US." I don't know about that, South America is making a big turn to the left out of economics and political "anti-US" appeal. Thankfully Brazil is big enough to keep rowdy upstarts like Chavez in place and prevent him from making big alliances.

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Mex101 RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 1/25/2006 8:13:10 PM

Mexico is keeping an eye un Cuba after a dispute alst year. It almost ended any Mex/Cuvan Relations. Mexico is becoming less fund of Castro every day. Brazil is keeping an eye un chavez though and has Mexico's support. A good question came to mind, How many Latin Nations have keeped their democracies intack since their birth? Mexico Chile? a few Central American Nations I realy can't say which others did so.

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Zerbrechen RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 2/8/2006 5:57:57 PM

I think the problem with the UN is that providing food for starving peoples is good, and nations don't mind helping out. The "police action" where your nation's troops may get shot at, without your command having the authority to "REALLY take care of the problem" is a bitter pill to swallow. The corruption in the upper levels needs to be cleaned up. I have the view that the UN is just a big cashcow that the US puts a lot of money into for corrupt oficials to dip into. Let the UN stay as a way to assist against starvation, and as a forum to speak your country's views. Let the policing be done by a command structure with more backbone.

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Pseudonym RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 2/8/2006 6:22:52 PM

Imagine if the funding that has for the most part been wasted by the UN had simply been given to non profit non government charities, with good track records and public transparency, instead of the UN. The money for the UN goes through a large bureaucracy that takes its percentage to support itself, then a bit more through corruption, then the aid gets there and is dropped off. Now comes the point where the UN futility enters the scene. Alot of that aid ends up in the hands of Warlords and Rebels who use the food to control people. Africa needs a steel fist to come in and deal with the problems, instead it gets the UN who comes in and monitors the atrocities. Give the money to a Charity, it will be better spent. Who needs to send soldiers to Africa if they are never going to do anything but watch Atrocities happen?

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 2/8/2006 8:27:51 PM

Doctors with Borders could put a fraction of the UN budget to excellent use.

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PlatypusMaximus RE:Anti-UN people want to stop feeding the poor Africans 2/8/2006 9:30:47 PM

Doctors with Borders could put a fraction of the UN budget to excellent use. Youc could say that about anybody. Right now the bar is set at: Trading the money for sex with under-aged refugees. Source: UNHCR

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