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Subject: Coalition of the Honest
appleciderus    12/30/2004 8:53:39 PM
By Jamie Lyons, PA Political Correspondent:

United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia would coordinate the world?s response.

But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that role should be left to the UN.?I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,? she said.

?Only really the UN can do that job,? she told BBC Radio Four?s PM programme.?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers.?

Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on responding to international disasters.She said the US was ?very bad at coordinating with anyone? and India had its own problems to deal with.?I don?t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid, like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the rest of the world through the UN system,? she added.


What a riot!

The UN can do the job because it has the ?MORAL? authority as long as the Great authorities back it up?

The US has a bad record of reacting to world-wide disasters?

The UN has ever successfully completed a mission?

Here?s a question for all:

If the UN handles the relief monies, how much of each dollar contributed by governments, organizations, corporations, and private citizens gets to the victims?

A) 20 cents
B) 15 cents
C) 5 cents
D) zero, accompanied by an invoice for additional monies.
 
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swhitebull    RE:Coalition of the Honest   12/30/2004 11:08:53 PM
Maybe the UN flunkies should fork over their TAX FREE salaries, or the 22 billion in skimmed proceeds from the oil for food program - put their money where their mouthes are. swhitebull
 
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appleciderus    RE:Coalition of the Honest   12/30/2004 11:56:39 PM
And give up the oppotunity for further corruption?
 
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southern cross    RE:Coalition of the Honest   12/31/2004 2:54:09 AM
the United Nations is all talk and no action, over the last decade thousands of lives have needlessly been lost while UN goons sit in a warm building with headphones on talking. good on Americans for being some of the only people willing to act.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Coalition of the Honest   1/2/2005 10:00:30 AM
Maybe they have a point. I mean, we should let the UN handle this with their ships and airlift that can get the supplies there in a hurry and locate survivors. Oh wait, silly me! The UN doesn't have those things, and if it did, it would require Kofi Annan's signature to get moving. Ah, but he's on vacation, can't be bothered, sorry. The UN is fine; it's the idiots who are running it that are the problem.
 
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Aleph-Null    RE:Coalition of the Honest   1/29/2005 12:41:41 PM
Its time to stop debating about it and time to withdraw from the United Nations.
 
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WinsettZ    RE:Coalition of the Honest   3/10/2005 4:45:17 PM
Bleh. The General Assembly has too much power to delay things and issue non-binding resolutions. Thus, waste of time. A CNN news conference is almost as good as speaking in front of the General Assembly.
 
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appleciderus    Manifest corruption   3/14/2005 8:56:33 AM
Excerpts from Paul Greenberg?s column today: ?The massacres in Darfur are only the latest blot on the U.N.'s record at protecting human rights, or even human life. That record has been worse than neutral, for the U.N. has actively sided with some of the worst human-rights abusers on the planet.? ?Kofi Annan has had a lot of experience at this sort of thing. He was promoted to secretary-general direct from his position as head of the U.N.'s ineffectual peace-keeping operations during the blood-soaked 1990s.? ?Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia-Herzegovina . . . one disaster followed another on his watch. None interfered with the progress of his distinguished career. He also played enabler to Saddam Hussein's atrocities, opposing his overthrow and presiding over billion-dollar deals that helped Saddam maintain his grip on power. (Naturally the U.N. got a healthy commission.) Despite his efforts to stonewall the investigation, the truth is gradually coming out about the immense oil-for-food scandal and the U.N.'s role in it.? ?Here is how a 29-year old military adviser to the African Union, a former Marine captain quoted in The New York Times, explains his mission there: "Every single day you go out to see another burned village, and more dead bodies. And the children - you see 6-month-old babies that have been shot, and 3-year-old kids with their faces smashed in with rifle butts. And you just have to stand there and write your reports." ?So it goes on, this bloody work of Sudan's bandit government in cahoots with Islamist militias determined to stamp out the infidel natives.? ?To quote the Times' Nicholas Kristof: "The West, led by the Bush administration, is providing food and medical care that is keeping hundreds of thousands of people alive. But we're managing the genocide, not halting it." ?Someone once observed that most of the evil in the world isn't the work of those who deliberately set out to do it, but of good people who do nothing to prevent it.? Appleciderus: So, while Kofi?s British aid explains on Fox News that the UN is under funded and undermanned because the US, and others, need to make available more resources, islamic terrorists continue to murder innocent children. Criminal!
 
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swhitebull    We LOVE the UN, dont we? John Bolton's background   3/14/2005 3:26:53 PM
How effective a man is at what he does can be measured by the vehemence in which he is reviled by his enemies. John Bolton is such a man - the right man, at the right place, at the right time, to paraphrase Democrat Presidential loser John Kerry: link swhitebull - it's a neo-con fait accompli, last pieces faliing into place.
 
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American Kafir    RE:Coalition of the Honest   3/15/2005 12:34:48 PM
::recycling an old joke:: "Thank you for calling the United Nations International Help Desk. We are sorry Mr. Annan is unavailable to personally take your call. Our offices are now closed. Please use our automated messaging system, or call back during normal business hours, weekdays Monday to Friday 9am to 5 pam local Beijing time. If you would like to blame Israel for something, please press 1...."
 
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appleciderus    UN Resources   3/15/2005 8:45:43 PM
Surfing with my morning coffee I came across the History Channel?s presentation of ?Mercenaries?, or something like that. The subject was a South African corporation that fielded a small, armed force in Sierra Leone under contract to the government of Sierra Leone. After controlling the RFU guerrilla insurgency, the contract was ended early by the Sierra Leone government because of Clinton Administration, UN, and other politically correct pressures put on the Sierra Leone government. Within 90 days the country was in chaos, with much loss of innocent life. In spite of a UN ?peace-keeping? force of 18,000 troops, and the expenditure of one billion dollars. 500 ?Blue Berets? had been kidnapped by the RFU and ransomed. The private South African force of less than 500 hundred (?) with a budget of 20 million dollars had done what the UN with 18,000 troops and one billion dollars could not. Kofi Anan was in charge of ?peace-keeping? at the time. Sunday, the British aid to Kofi Anan, said on Fox News Sunday that peacekeeping attempts by the UN often fail because of a lack of resources. 18,000 men and one billion dollars. I wonder if all that resource went into rape, pillage, and plunder. Criminal.
 
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appleciderus    Reforms?   3/22/2005 6:56:56 PM
So Kofi announces his ?reforms? Increase the Security Council to 15 members. This probably means eliminating the veto of the 5 permanent members, a checks and balance structure by the founders to prevent what happens elsewhere in the UN. Abolish the Human Rights Commission. As I understand it, the UN would downgrade the Commission to a committee? More like ?throw the dog a bone?. Increase by four fold the US obligation to fund the UN. Reform? Sounds like a stick-up to me.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Reforms?   3/22/2005 9:57:19 PM
Here's where 150 of those dollars went. By Emily Wax Washington Post Foreign Service Monday, March 21, 2005; Page A01 BUNIA, Congo -- She's known in the community as a "one-dollar U.N. girl." At night, she sleeps on the cracked pavement outside a storefront. In the mornings, she sashays through the dusty streets, clutching a frayed parasol against the blinding sun....She and the other teenage girls interviewed for this article agreed to be identified provided only their first names were used. "Sometimes it happens in U.N. cars, other times at the camp. But at least they paid us. I was worthless anyhow. My honor was lost."Yvette's story is not uncommon. The United Nations is investigating 150 instances in which 50 peacekeeping troops or civilians in the Congo mission are suspected of having sexually abused or exploited women and girls, some as young as 12. More: link
 
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appleciderus    RE:Reforms?   3/23/2005 8:00:29 AM
Yep! That?s how it works. The UN stands by while the parents are murdered, then steps in to rape then enslave the children.
 
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Massive    Diplomad   4/11/2005 12:32:03 PM
A good read on the UN in Aceh. link
 
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Massive    RE:UN Resources - Apple   4/11/2005 12:41:48 PM
The interesting thing about the mercenaries in Sierra Leone is that it is a great example of what small groups of western special forces, operating with local troops, could do in knocking back a lot of these shabby insurrections in Africa. Maybe more sovereign governments should use mercenaries in this fashion? As to the UN - there is nothing worth saying really. To tell the truth there seems to be a general lack of true 'leaders' in the world at the moment - the UN needs one. When you consider all the blather about Wolfowitz and the World Bank the guy was at least intellectually credible and had the experience of being 2IC in running a genuine global organization - the US DoD. Kofi - well... Regards, Massive Ps. There was some dodgy deal involving diamonds with the South African mercenaries as I remember - this was the instigator for the backlash against their use. Cure does appear to have been, if not worse, a lot more expensive than the disease!
 
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