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Subject: The Wacky Voters in the United Nations
swhitebull    10/4/2004 11:54:47 AM
Here's a little tidbit on how certain countries vote in the UN, and what the United States bribes...err... pays them to do so:

How they vote in the UN!

Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the U.S. State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time.

Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time.

Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time.

United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.

Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.

Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.

Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.

Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.

India votes against the United States 81% of the time.

Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.

Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

U.S. Foreign Aid to those that hate us: Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States receives $143,699,000 annually

Perhaps it is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes.

Now they want to cut oil production, We should cut aid to them by 50% to start.

swhitebull - with friends like these.....
 
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Yimmy    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   10/4/2004 3:15:15 PM
Perhaps you could call it America paying their debt to humanity after their actions in the Cold War? *ducks**
 
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appleciderus    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   10/6/2004 8:36:18 PM
If, as conventional wisdom infers, we pay Egypt $2 Billion a year to protect Israel from Egyptian attack, then the money is poorly spent. What sane person would spend money to protect their 180-pound dog from the threat of attack by a chicken? If the chicken were trying to stuff a bomb in the dog?s ear, does the dog need to ask permission to eliminate the recipient of ?protection? money? Perhaps the ?return on investment? satisfies the bureaucratic professionals at the un-elected government known as the State Department, but IMO, foreign aid should be a reward, not an ?entitlement?.
 
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joe6pack    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   11/17/2004 11:30:23 PM
"Perhaps you could call it America paying their debt to humanity after their actions in the Cold War?" Yup, the US is packed full of evil bastards.. it's amazing the world puts up with us ;-) Perhaps the UN should give us the boot.. Then North Korea could have our seat on the Security Council. Maybe if the UK goes with the US, since they are obviously just an evil American Poodle, their seat can go to Syria. Then the world be run by a bunch of countries that are really out to solve the Worlds problems instead of worrying about their own greedy self interest... I mean come on, Russia, China, France, North Korea, Syria.. Wow, a utopian world would be just around the corner.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   11/17/2004 11:48:31 PM
Congradulations to the UN for being so diplomatic to the point that their diplomacy results in nothing 100% of the time.
 
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joe6pack    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   11/18/2004 9:00:28 AM
Platypus - you are so wrong. From a UN standpoint, if you debate something long enough the problem will resolve itself without the UN actually having to do anything. The UN by that standard has close to 100% success ;-)
 
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NoDuecesInMyHand    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   11/18/2004 11:31:23 AM
I thought those money was to relief human suffering and aid in the development of those countries. If you want to bribe them to hold the US over their own interests you would better open up your wallet some more, don't you think? Or are you mad because they don't sell themselves cheaper? I ask because I fail to see any connection between UN votes and humanitarian aid. Should there be one? /deuce
 
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joe6pack    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   11/18/2004 1:55:05 PM
"I ask because I fail to see any connection between UN votes and humanitarian aid." If it was only humanitarian aid we were talking about, I'd probably agree. But there is a BIG difference between foriegn aid and humanitarian aid. Foreign aid, is when it comes down to it.. is a diplomatic way of saying "bribe". Foreign aid can constitute things like weapons and money that has no stipulations as to how it will be spent. So yeah, if we are bribing.. it would be nice if they stayed bribed ;-)
 
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PacEMakeR    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations - India   11/18/2004 3:52:54 PM
You do realise that India and the US were not exactly on the best of terms up until the late 90's. AFAIK, its not that most Indians have anything against Americans as such, but the US has always supported Pakistan until recently. And we probably vote the way Russia wants us to as repayment for the assistance they have given us over the years.
 
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PacEMakeR    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations - India (b)   11/18/2004 3:56:05 PM
"...And we probably vote the way Russia wants us to as repayment for the assistance they have given us over the years" And we probably vote the way Russia wants us to in some cases as repayment.
 
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SGTObvious    Our Interests ARE Their Interests   11/20/2004 2:04:31 AM
"If you want to bribe them to hold the US over their own interests you would better open up your wallet some more, don't you think?" First, if they are interested in our money, logically they ought to be interested in what we are interested- mainly, maintaining our economic strength so that the flow of money isn't threatened. This isn't the case, only because we are an economic "commons", a resource available to all, without attendant responsibility on the part of the beneficiaries, and therefore abused. Second, If they are interested in our money, logically, they ought to be interested in maintaining a positive relationship that keeps us in the mood to continue that money. They are not, only because our patience and tolerance has proved near inexhaustible. Beggars, please note, tend to be polite, and they have good reason to be. Rude beggars eventually wear down the patience of the giver. Their behaviour is logical only so long as they don't perceive any real cost to their actions- angering the United States rarely results in corresponding reductions in American money handouts. The two should be linked- just as any person relying on a financial handout from another recognizes intuitively the value of staying on that person's good side. Sadly, this sort of intuition is sadly lacking in most of the world. They set their own ego-satiation and short term ambition above economic logic.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   11/22/2004 11:53:01 PM
link The United Nations Convention Against Corruption by Marinka Peschmann, Special to Canada Free Press November 19, 2004 Peru's President Toledo added his signature to the ?United Nations Convention Against Corruption? during a signing ceremony held on Tuesday at UN headquarters in New York City, one week after Secretary-General Kofi Annan was accused by two U.S. Senators, Republican Norm Coleman, and Democrat Carl Levin, of ?affirmatively preventing? their ongoing Oil-for-Food probe from obtaining ?relevant? documents. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wednesday, the Senate Committee revealed that during the 13 years of sanctions on Iraq the early U.S. $10-billion estimates that illegally filled Saddam Hussein?s coffers through oil smuggling, kickbacks and surcharges were low--by half, finding instead that Saddam Hussein?s regime siphoned closer to U.S. $21-billion. Negotiations for the United Nations Convention Against Corruption began in January 2002 after the UN?s General Assembly established an Ad Hoc Committee to create an ?effective international legal instrument against corruption.? The Ad Hoc Committee's mission was completed on October 1, 2003, and subsequently all States have been invited to participate, seven years after the now defunct UN?s Oil-for-Food program began in 1996. The preamble of the United Nations Convention against Corruption reads in part that the State Parties to this Convention are: ?Concerned about the seriousness of problems and threats posed by corruption to the stability and security of societies, undermining the institutions and values of democracy, ethical values and justice and jeopardizing sustainable development and rule of law, ? Concerned also about the links between corruption and other forms of crime, in particular organized crime and economic crime, including money laundering; ? Concerned furtherabout cases of corruption that involve vast quantities of assets, which may constitute a substantial proportion of the resources of States, and that threaten the political stability and sustainable development of those States; ? Convinced that corruption is no longer a local matter, but a transnational phenomenon that affects all societies and economies, making international cooperation to prevent and control it essential; ? Convinced also that a comprehensive and multidisciplinary approach is required to prevent and combat corruption effectively; ? Convinced that the illicit acquisition of personal wealth can be particularly damaging to democratic institutions, national economies and the rule of law, and is; ? Determined to prevent, detect and deter in a more effective manner international transfers of illicitly acquired assets and to strengthen international cooperation in asset recovery.? Currently 113 countries have joined the United Nations Convention Against Corruption. Signatories include: Canada, the United States, Russia, Iran, France, Germany, China, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Netherlands. On Wednesday, according to the Associated Press, the U.S. House International Relations Committee's latest findings tracked a multimillion dollar money trail to bank accounts in Jordan used by Saddam Hussein to pay families of Palestinian suicide bombers who attacked Israelis approximately $25,000 each using money from the UN Oil-for-food program. When the General Assembly adopted the United Nations Convention against Corruption on October 31, 2003, Kofi Annan issued a statement, ?Corruption hurts the poor disproportionately--by diverting funds intended for development, undermining a government's ability to provide basic services, feeding inequality and injustice, and discouraging foreign investment and aid.? Kofi Annan who is in Nairobi, Kenya could not be reached for comment. Earlier, the UN?s director of communications, Edward Mortimer, described the charges leveled against Annan by the U.S. Senators as ?very awkward and troubling? and added that the UN has provided all relevant documents to Paul Volcker?s Independent Inquiry Committee for the United Nations Oil-for-Food program. Canada Free Press has obtained a letter Paul Volcker sent to Kofi Annan and Senators Coleman and Levin: ?The policies of our Committee are designed to reconcile essential and desirable transparency and disclosures in our work with the need to conduct our investigation with the degree of confidentiality and simple fairness necessary in investigations into allegations of serious maladministration, misfeasance and personal corruption? What appears primarily at issue is the timing of such disclosures?We fully anticipate that the findings at that time [middle of next year] will be accompanied by release of substantially all documents relevant to those findings in the Committee possession.? The United Nations Convention Against Corruption will not be ratified until early 2006. The probes into what has been described as ?Oil-for-Fraud? continue --A resolution...look out, they're serious!
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations - India   3/16/2005 12:36:58 PM
Oh, and most Indian bureaucrats have an uncontrollable urge to give the US the =-- They spend all their lives dreaming on how much they could skin if they were in the US bureaucracy... scarcely realizing that they could make even more as pro-Us lobbyists ;-)
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations - India   3/16/2005 1:20:06 PM
"Oh, and most Indian bureaucrats have an uncontrollable urge to give the US the =--" So, it's genetics that makes you such a fine cultural ambassador?
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations - India   3/22/2005 8:59:00 PM
"So, it's genetics that makes you such a fine cultural ambassador?" About genetics - No, most people who reach that levels today know something about BC.... and a little too much about the American Sign Language ? so yeah, they do have some cultural background before being sent off to American soil... and that makes them the ambassadors they are.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:The Wacky Voters in the United Nations   4/6/2005 9:47:46 PM
The creation of Israel and the US support for its policies in the West Bank are partially to blame for the lack of reform in the Arab world, according to a UN-sponsored report released Tuesday. The Arab Human Development Report 2004 (AHDR) cited the creation of the Jewish state as one of the roots of authoritarianism in the Middle East, along with the discovery of oil and the support for dictators by the superpowers during the Cold War. Israel rebuffed the claims. "For too long too many people in the Arab world have used Israel as an excuse to justify behavior that cannot be justified," said Mark Regev, spokesman for the Foreign Ministry. "You can't have democratic elections because of Israel and you can't give equal rights to women in Saudi Arabia because of Israel. This is of course a cop out." More: link
 
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