We should get rid of the UN

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Warhammer RE:We should get rid of the UN 7/23/2004 12:16:57 PM

We need to keep in on our soil as a means of controlling it. We need to keep an active part in it, because we do not want the rest of the world going off and doing things without us. Best way to deal with something like the UN would be to either completely remake it, or keep it weak if it is going to continue to be as corrupt as it has been. Only way we can do either is to work within the system.

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sentinel28a RE:We should get rid of the UN 7/23/2004 4:29:49 PM

I think something needs to be done, but we have to have something like the UN. Maybe what it needs is a dynamic SecGen, like Dag Hammersjkold was, to get some needed reforms in there. Kofi Annan is proving to be more of a mistake every day, and the last few SecGens have not been any better.

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dn328 RE:We should get rid of the UN 7/24/2004 2:15:39 PM

I am afraid United is doing a lot, not for the nations, but for Dictators who are repressing their nations. It is one of the most corrupt and useless organization in the world occupied by a bunch of of inhuman individuals to protect right of humans.

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swhitebull Oil For Food Crisis 8/13/2004 1:35:01 PM

Someone posting to National Review's The Corner: Not to clutter your inbox, but I almost drove off the road today listening to BBC "News of the World" interview the dutch guy who headed the oil for food program 1999-2000: His three most important points: 1) He and his staff had "no idea" this was going on until the very end of his tenure: "FULL POWER to the ass shields!!" 2) It wasn't necessarily so bad, because as far as we know Saddam was hooking his peeps up with German luxury cars and other expensive trinkets, not using the money for WMD proliferation. 3) The security council never met on the subject because of the Russia/France/China vs. US/UK "rift," and this dutch guy explained that you can't even have a meeting in the UN unless you have consensus about having the meeting. It was a concise, 5 minute brief on why the UN should be disbanded immediately. swhitebull - any seconds?

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Phoenix Rising RE:Oil For Food Crisis 8/14/2004 1:00:25 AM

The U.N. still serves a purpose, and quite frankly, I don't think that America has the political clout to disband it, and we would only dramatically hurt ourselves by trying. The HQ could be moved from New York to Geneva or London (or Tokyo or somewhere else in Asia at this point). Too many countries care too much about the U.N. for it to completely die, however, even without the U.S. presence. The world is a lot different than it was in the days of the League of Nations. Culturally and politically, the world is stable enough now, with less rivalries among the major powers, that the U.N. could succeed without the U.S. where the League didn't. --Phoenix Rising

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Achilles RE:We should get rid of the UN 8/19/2004 1:17:31 PM

Well, truely yes we need to get out of the United Nations. We send 7 billion dollars a year there to have it thrown up in our faces.

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bsl RE:Oil For Food Crisis-Phoenix 8/19/2004 9:35:34 PM

1)Agree 2)Given the current dynamics of the international system, if it moved, and America withdrew, I'd bet money the UN would become a center of antiAmericanism in the world. Antiamericanism would, in itself, become a key dynamic holding the body together. And, in doing so, it would draw most of our allies along with it.

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imperia RE:We should get rid of the UN 12/29/2004 7:37:30 AM

***We should get rid of the UN*** Where there's a will, there's a way. :-)

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BLUEMOON RE:The UN is a giant LUBYS........nothing more. 12/31/2004 12:08:23 AM

Thanks to American we have yet again overpowered complete morons from silly parts of the world who seem to spend more time dressing and acting like a scene out of Star Trek than really do anything..

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stratego RE:How About a Carrot & Stick Approach to UN? 1/14/2005 11:43:58 PM

Leaving aside the question of domestic political considerations and speaking only about the benefits to the US from an international perspective, I believe the US should consider the UN as potentially expendable, then present the UN with a tough choice: reform & keep US support or not reform and do without the US. Fears about the US "being isolated" if we leave the UN or the US not being "powerful enough" to disband the UN are unfounded. If the US walks away from the UN, it will shrivel away and die in fairly short order. Alternately, it may survive, strictly as a US-bashing forum, but their legitimacy would be vastly undermined. Of course, the world media would support them, but the world media is part of the Left now. Ultimately, the UN's legitimacy springs from the US, one of the few member states willing to do the thing the UN is supposed to do---support justice in the world. Plus, the US has the bulk of the military power. Therefore, a US threat to walk away from the UN is legitimate. What we should do therefore is think hard and come up with a list of vitally needed reforms to the UN. This list would simply detail the way to curb all of the worst excesses and evils of the UN. The UN, then, if it wished, could negotiate with the US to try to come to an agreement on what reforms to implement and how. One key strategy would be to ensure that we have just as many cushy jobs as now for worthless bureaucrats---just make sure to keep them where they can't do any harm. I believe worthless bureaucrats are the main consituency of the UN, and its worth it to pay them off. However, if the UN chose not to negotiate, the US would be ready to walk away, and simply do so. Then, the US would start its own newUN. The newUN, in contrast to some proposals, woudl not be only for democracies or anything like that. You need to have the bad countries in the newUN for it to be really useful. Just structure it better than the current UN. To join, a country would not have to give up old UN membership. At first, only a few would join. But after awhile, I think most countries would join. Then the oldUN would become like a branch of Al Jazerra, something that is there, but not so widely credited.

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