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Subject: Laden described himself as prophet
trustedsourceofinfo    3/5/2006 9:04:54 PM
Tell me whats the difference... let me quote.. "He delivered (preached) the Quran, and said he was a prophet," Paracha said. "He said very nice things, very impressive." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1438784,curpg-1.cms
 
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Azmodius    RE:akyıldlız   3/14/2006 1:41:54 PM
Do YOU really know what islam is? Most muslims dont know. they only know what their imams tell them. Do you know what kind of "prophet" mohamed really was? he was a pirate and a slave trader. he fabricated islam for personal power and greed and lust. he led 75 raids in his life. all for money and power. he is the only "prophet" who ever had a revelation from "god" then went back on it saying it was a trick of the devil. there is nothing peaceful about a religion fabricated by a man with mental issues. All one has to do is read the koran and the hadiths to get an idea what mohamed was like. Mex-why dont you knock it off with your constant and stupid "show me a link" routine? If someone says islam is bad and is evil, what link will satisfy you? how about a link to the damn koran? why dont you read it so you dont need someone else to prove it to you. and because someone states the religion is bad doesnt mean you should be able to scream they are racist, etc. i imagine there was someone like you in pre-ww2 germany saying similar things to anyone who spoke out agains the nazi party.
 
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akyıldlız    RE:akyıldlız   3/14/2006 1:53:30 PM
mohammed a slave trader.... hahahahahaha.................funny eh? what you have said is bull, islam just forbidded slavery if you read thing read carefully and read from objective sources. those raids were for capturing the trade ways true but by this they gave a big harm to non-muslims' economy settled in mekkah and beat them. Also there are millions of wars to capture trade ways. and please read quran and explain it to me cause i havent read it yet. im turkish cant read arabish and also you dont have to read koran in turkey. when you try to find quran try to find a good translated one to understand easily
 
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akyıldlız    RE:akyıldlız   3/14/2006 1:57:45 PM
if you can prove me that mohammed was a slave trader from quran i promise you taht i wont believe in islam anymore
 
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Azmodius    RE:akyıldlız   3/14/2006 2:02:20 PM
......I am going to lunch now but i will prove it to you when i get back. and you just proved another point. Your a typical muslim who blindly believes but HASNT researched your belief. but you claim to be muslim. so that means you are taking someone elses word that islam is good, mohamed is good, etc. ill get back to you on this later today
 
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kane    RE:akyıldlız-azmodious   3/14/2006 2:06:41 PM
he doesn't have to believe in islam this is his choice(because of his family) well Turks learn good things about islam and they do not care about kafirs .....-if they're learning good things then there isn't any problem eh? if this is the true islam or not-Turks believe in good one terrorists don't-in fact terrorists are real sinners according to islam ;)
 
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akyıldlız    RE:akyıldlız   3/14/2006 2:13:04 PM
yes i dont make any reseach about my religion but my grandmother read quran many times because she is a religious person(but dont get the meaning supporting terrorists, when she hears a terrorist atteck she curse them very badly) and she didnt mentioned me anything like you told me, and i learned my religion from her, truly do you believe she had lied to me because she've wanted me to believe in islam
 
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Azmodius    RE:akyıldlız   3/14/2006 4:54:36 PM
Ok im back. 1st i need to explain a few things. the koran is a compilation of surahs with no direction. its a jumble of things the "prophet" said throughout his life. there are only a few books covering mohamed and his life within a few hundred years of his death. these hadiths cover various subjects and do NOT paint mohamed in a good light at all. Muslim scholars agree on the validity of the hadiths as well. The earliest and most important collection of Hadith is called the Sira, or Biography. Compiled by Ibn Ishaq, the sira provides the only written account of this man, his god, place and religion (pilfered last 2 lines from craig winn). heres a few choice selections about what mohamed did: Tabari VII:65 ?Allah?s Messenger came back to Medina, bringing with him the booty which had been taken from the polytheists.... There were forty-four captives in the Messenger of Allah?s possession. There was a similar number of dead.? Bukhari:V5B59N512 ?The captives of Khaybar were divided among the Muslims. Then the Messenger began taking the homes and property that were closest to him.? Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 ?So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.? Ishaq:511 ?When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.? (this sound like slavery to you?) Tabari IX:3 ?Since the Hawazin and Thaqif had marched with their women, children, and flocks, Allah granted them as booty to His Messenger, who divided the spoils among those Quraysh who had recently embraced Islam.? Tabari VIII:38 ?The Messenger divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.? Ishaq:465 ?When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us. Allah?s Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders ?giving the horse two shares and the rider one. A Muslim without a horse got one share of the spoil. It was the first booty in which lots were cast.? This is just the tip of the iceberg. i could go for days about how mohamed lived and what he did. like i said, he was a SLAVER and a PIRATE!! convinced now?
 
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Mex101    RE:akyıldlız   3/14/2006 10:04:36 PM
"Kiss my christianity butt hole and I know you'll love it. Please come to Australia and kiss it. I know it will get rid of your hate and turn you on."-USSMC Love thy enemy You are no Christian. You can even spell Christianity, its a CAPITAL C! You offend me by calling your self Christian, May God have Mercy on your soul >>-you dont have to like my religion -christians are mentally ill<< You proved USSMC right with that comment. May God have mercy on your soul as well.
 
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kane    RE:azmodious   3/15/2006 8:18:02 AM
i have no idea about captivities in KORAN it says you should not harm captives-i don't know if Mohammed did if you're eating something you should give it to your prisoner too if you're riding while your prisoner is walking beside you you have to let him ride too while you're walking WHAT MOHAMMED DID IS NOT RELIGION there were many islamic cults that changed the rules and i yours are coming from seyhs(cult leader)'s ideas In fact Mohammed was a pirate!!! why? because mecceans were chasing and killing them and these guys were dying in desert so they had to raid meccean trade routes.They had to weaken mecceans and they did (i don't believe in god with a strong belief and i kind of atheist but what we learn here is much diffrent and the important thing is waht we learn-TURKS ARE LEARNING ISLAM IN THIS WAY AND THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE there are some religious(changed version of islam) cults in Turkey(many were shutted down after setting the new Turkish government in 1923) CUZZZ they destroyed OTTOMAN EMPIRE!! they screwed Ottomans from the inside
 
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Azmodius    RE:Kane   3/15/2006 9:10:30 AM
"WHAT MOHAMMED DID IS NOT RELIGION there were many islamic cults that changed the rules and i yours are coming from seyhs(cult leader)'s ideas" Kane, Mohamed defined the religion. he set the example islam is to follow. im sorry if its a shock realizing he was really a bloodthirsty pirate and slaver but its true. is it going to hurt you to accept it? "In fact Mohammed was a pirate!!! why? because mecceans were chasing and killing them and these guys were dying in desert so they had to raid meccean trade routes.They had to weaken mecceans and they did" You got it all wrong. mohammed led 74 of the 75 raids in his lifetime for conquest and loot. he started the aggression! there was only one raid he led for retaliation but what you fail to realize was that the meccans got sick of mohammed raiding caravans, etc so attacked him. then he in turn retaliated. but it was due to his piracy in the 1st place!! All im saying is do a little research into the matter before blinding believing what your imam or the man on the street says. it pretty obvious. because im against islam doesnt mean im against you so dont take what i say as a personal insult to you or your contry. generally ive found that people are decent but when surrounded by peers and peer pressure is when they turn bad.
 
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