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Subject: The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam
RaptorZ    2/23/2006 3:28:18 PM
I have harped on this subject for several posts being called everything from basically an idiot to an outright racist. Moderate Muslims must speak out and take control before something worse happens. When the Vatican becomes more vocal for protection of Christianity and such, those who value Islam best pay attention. I am not Catholic but know, from history, if the church gets involved at these high levels things are not going to turn for the better unless some middle ground can be found. Believe it or not Christians can be just as fanatical as the radical muslims. Let's not go down that path. ----------------------------------------------- Vatican to Muslims: practice what you preach Email this Story Feb 23, 12:54 PM (ET) By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor PARIS (Reuters) - After backing calls by Muslims for respect for their religion in the Mohammad cartoons row, the Vatican is now urging Islamic countries to reciprocate by showing more tolerance toward their Christian minorities. Roman Catholic leaders at first said Muslims were right to be outraged when Western newspapers reprinted Danish caricatures of the Prophet, including one with a bomb in his turban. Most Muslims consider any images of Mohammad to be blasphemous. After criticizing both the cartoons and the violent protests in Muslim countries that followed, the Vatican this week linked the issue to its long-standing concern that the rights of other faiths are limited, sometimes severely, in Muslim countries. Vatican prelates have been concerned by recent killings of two Catholic priests in Turkey and Nigeria. Turkish media linked the death there to the cartoons row. At least 146 Christians and Muslims have died in five days of religious riots in Nigeria. "If we tell our people they have no right to offend, we have to tell the others they have no right to destroy us," Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State (prime minister), told journalists in Rome. "We must always stress our demand for reciprocity in political contacts with authorities in Islamic countries and, even more, in cultural contacts," Foreign Minister Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo told the daily Corriere della Sera. Reciprocity -- allowing Christian minorities the same rights as Muslims generally have in Western countries, such as building houses of worship or practicing religion freely -- is at the heart of Vatican diplomacy toward Muslim states. Vatican diplomats argue that limits on Christians in some Islamic countries are far harsher than restrictions in the West that Muslims decry, such as France's ban on headscarves in state schools. Saudi Arabia bans all public expression of any non-Muslim religion and sometimes arrests Christians even for worshipping privately. Pakistan allows churches to operate but its Islamic laws effectively deprive Christians of many rights. Both countries are often criticized at the United Nations Human Rights Commission for violating religious freedoms. "ENOUGH TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK" Pope Benedict signaled his concern on Monday when he told the new Moroccan ambassador to the Vatican that peace can only be assured by "respect for the religious convictions and practices of others, in a reciprocal way in all societies." He mentioned no countries by name. Morocco is tolerant of other religions, but like all Muslim countries frowns on conversion from Islam to another faith. Iraqi Christians say they were well treated under Saddam Hussein's secular policies, but believers have been killed, churches burned and women forced to wear Muslim garb since Islamic groups gained sway after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Christians make up only a tiny fraction of the population in most Muslim countries. War and political pressure in recent decades have forced many to emigrate from Middle Eastern communities dating back to just after the time of Jesus. As often happens at the Vatican, lower-level officials have been more outspoken than the Pope and his main aides. "Enough now with this turning the other cheek! It's our duty to protect ourselves," Monsignor Velasio De Paolis, secretary of the Vatican's supreme court, thundered in the daily La Stampa. Jesus told his followers to "turn the other cheek" when struck. "The West has had relations with the Arab countries for half a century, mostly for oil, and has not been able to get the slightest concession on human rights," he said. Bishop Rino Fisichella, head of one of the Roman universities that train young priests from around the world, told Corriere della Sera the Vatican should speak out more. "Let's drop this diplomatic silence," said the rector of the Pontifical Lateran University. "We should put pressure on international organizations to make the societies and states in majority Muslim countries face up to their responsibilities."
 
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Pelopanisian    RE:The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam   3/7/2006 12:02:02 PM
I believe that we should rid the world of religion any way. Just think, no religion means that people think for themselves. FINALLY, a change in the world. Look back in history and you'll notice that religion as caused more death and destruction then the black death. Islam vs. Jews, Islam vs. Christianity, the Crusades, all battles and conflicts that deal with religion as the main reason for th fighting. Just think about it.
 
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USSMC    RE:Pelopanisian   3/7/2006 10:02:43 PM
Well said Pelopanisian. It's all a fairy tale.
 
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USSMC    RE:kane   3/7/2006 11:34:53 PM
From my experience; your fellow Turks behaives like those arab kebabs in the middle east. THEY'RE ALL TROUBLE MAKERS. That's why I belive Turkey should belong there in the middle east. Your fellow Turks gave themselves and Turkey an evil reputation. I couldn't care less about Kylie. Her breast are too small to be notice.
 
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USSMC    RE:mustavaris   3/7/2006 11:57:06 PM
Why in the name of Islam haven't you fukked them? Don't you wanna be like your prophet? You said there are 3 of them, right. You only 12 more to be like Mohammed, but make sure one of them is a 9year old. Good Luck! and Keep it up! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!
 
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mustavaris    Dosvidaniya, uSSmc   3/8/2006 3:37:09 AM
Your... bla- bla - ------------------------------- Finnish self-cencorship --------------------- ....I won´t pay attention to you anymore for I don´t gain anything from my efforts and you have proven that you are completely unable to communicate like a grown up person. Dosvidaniya.
 
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akyıldlız    RE:ussmc   3/8/2006 11:35:15 AM
just dont swear and be respectful and the most important one is dont believe everything you've heard.
 
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kane    RE:USSMC   3/8/2006 12:09:05 PM
"From my experience; your fellow Turks behaives like those arab kebabs in the middle east. THEY'RE ALL TROUBLE MAKERS. That's why I belive Turkey should belong there in the middle east. Your fellow Turks gave themselves and Turkey an evil reputation. " i can say some Turks are trouble makers because of their education level but the main reason(for the ones in your country) is that they'relivin in a foreign country,they feel that they're not treated equally (ex:racist insulting to someone i know in netherlands-result=dutch is beaten badly by the Turk-then court found dutch guily because of racist insult do we insult foreigners in Turkey-NO NEVER "Your fellow Turks gave themselves and Turkey an evil reputation. " YES,this is the truth
 
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Mex101    RE:The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam   3/8/2006 3:19:04 PM
Do you know that Nazism and communism as supporter of atheism? Do you know that WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with religion? Do you know that the US would not exist if it were not for Religion? Do you know that Man will always seek power and control over others because it is just Human Nature? Do you Know that Many wars are not about Religion but Religion is misused to keep the people on the side of those evil tyrants that led wars in the past? Do you know that Religion has nothing to do with Greed and the lust of power and blood that many world leaders have? Do you know that many morals come from religion? Do you know that all customs are based on religion, and with out it we would be no better that dogs?
 
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Mex101    RE:mex101   3/8/2006 3:24:12 PM
(( I belive that the Middle East has the same mindset of Mid Evil Europe, Greed, Power, Extrime Religion.)) I strongly support you here. Middle East is hell. Europe never had an extreme religion, except muslims in europe ofcourse. What do you call the witch hunts and persecutions of Protestants and any one who spoke against the Catholic Church? What do you call the crusades, other than holy (unholy in my book) wars that led to cannibalism? Face it, The Catholic Church of that time is not what I would a "Church of Christ".
 
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USSMC    RE:mustavaris   3/8/2006 9:49:24 PM
(....I won´t pay attention to you anymore) Nonsense....... I know you love me, and I love you too. ^&^&%*^*R$&
 
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